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I do the exact same thing in northern Indiana. If it gets real cold, I throw my puffy pants on under the guide pants. I used to use Cabela's MT050 pants and parka. Kuiu is not even close to that level of warmth, but MT050 weighed a ton and I sweated my butt off getting to the stand at only about a 500-700 yard trek.I wear them for early/mid whitetail season. Verde 2.0 works best for the area I hunt in Kansas. I switch to my Guide pants for late season.