Kryptic or kuiu Rain gear

[todd kelly]

Yep, It looks pretty sweet in the pictures. The new gloves and Gaiters look pretty nice as well. I'm hoping they will offer some solids on this new line.

 

[pyroducksx3]

Wow it's quite a bit heavier than the chugach. I used my rain gear very little last year so I'm sticking with my chugach. If it is discovered to be much more durable though I might get the pants if the chugach one rip out on me

 

[TXCO]

Can you post pics? I dont see it on the blog and havent gotten an email yet

 

[Juan_ID]

Well dang, I used to be on the "inner-circle" list and I guess I have been taken off... Somebody post some pics for the test of us!

 

[aron]

Well dang, I used to be on the "inner-circle" list and I guess I have been taken off... Somebody post some pics for the test of us!

I haven't gotten the email yet either...

 

[slim9300]

I ordered a pair in Verde for hunting the late season in the PNW and maybe for the day I get to hunt SE AK. Kind of an impulse purchase but I shredded my Chugach pants last year on the damn blackberry and salmon berry bushes we have here. I'm hoping these will do better and keep me cooler!

 

[Racethesunset]

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Stretchy rain gear will be cool to have. What is the density of the PrimaFlex I wonder? How much less breathable is it than the Guide jacket, in layman's terms.

 

[HellsCanyon]

With that weight I wonder how it compares with the aegis jacket from Kryptek. About the same weight and it's supposed to be pretty warm too while being 100% wind/water proof.

Mike

 

[orionthehunter1]

Hellscanyon looking at the specs it looks like it might breathe better than the aegis. I already see a few chugach jackets and pants hitting the classifieds today.

 

[Aron Snyder]

Alright guys,

We deleted all the negative posts and hope to keep things on track....please

 

[Racethesunset]

Chugach, which I own, is a great, light rain jacket that adheres to layering principles. It is flexible and stretchy, more so than others that I have used.

The new Kuiu rain jacket at 28oz is not an ultralight component. I am intrigued by it but not sold yet, desire be damned.

I would be more interested in a lesser density, lighter PrimaFlex Guide jacket + Chugach pair (2 separate jackets) that netted 28 oz vs a single jacket. Presently the Guide + Chugach combo is about 40oz.

 

[Ryan Avery]

I can get passed the weight if its super durable. I've been through 5 pairs of rain pants in the past three years. I settled for Space Rain last year because if I rip it, I don't cry like a little bitch But these could be the ONE's

 

[LazyV]

To me it comes down to money. Kuiu to me is better but costs a lot more. Kyptek is good gear at a more affordable price. If money is no object then Kuiu is the way to go. If money is tight go with Kryptek. Both are good companies that are worth supporting. I run more Kuiu stuff but the few items I run from Kryptek are not a handicap by any stretch.

 

[HellsCanyon]

Just compared the specs between a few jackets...

KUIU Yukon jacket
29.2 ounces
Waterproof/Breathability rating of 20,000mm/24hr & 40,000g/m2/24hr (the 2nd rating I assume is the "MVTR" rating)

Kryptek Aegis Jacket (felt this was more of an apples to apples comparison)
32.8 Ounces
W/P: 20,000mm
MVTR: 15,000g/m2/24hrs

And just because I was curious about my new First Lite Boundary jacket
20.5 Ounces (single layer here, very little warmth)
W/P: 20,000mm
MVTR: 30,000g/m2/24hrs

Looks like my FL rain jacket is about 75% as breathable as the new Kuiu which isn't bad... but I can tell you from a recent training hike that it's still nothing I would want to hike in. 50* F outside pouring down rain, I was wearing a thin merino base layer and the rain jacket, 25 lb pack, .9 miles and 880' in elevation and I still felt like I was wearing rain gear. Obviously it's a training hike and I'm going to push myself to sweat so that has to be considered. I finally soaked my merino base layer (1/2 way up the hill) so I shucked the jacket and just dealt with getting wet and was more comfortable in every aspect.

Just something to consider...

Mike

 

[Racethesunset]

I can get passed the weight if its super durable. I've been through 5 pairs of rain pants in the past three years. I settled for Space Rain last year because if I rip it, I don't cry like a little bitch But these could be the ONE's

Dang I hope these work for you if nothing else to save money over the long haul. Keep us posted.

If they really can be multifunctional to the extent that you wear them rain or shine that would be saweet.

 

[Ryan Avery]

The Aegis Jacket doesn't get enough love! I wore that jacket in the rain for 5 days in November with temps from 15 to 45. When I say rain, I mean off and on downpour with very few breaks in the drizzle. I though it would get shredded the first day out. So far I have worn that Jacket around 40 days with Zero issues and it's been in some nasty places.

 

[slim9300]

I can get passed the weight if its super durable. I've been through 5 pairs of rain pants in the past three years. I settled for Space Rain last year because if I rip it, I don't cry like a little bitch But these could be the ONE's

Exactly. IMHO this is the kind of rain gear that you use in a place where it's wet all of the time or at least most of your trip, and you are basically wearing it all the time because the brush never dries. The PNW in October through spring and SE AK come to mind as places where this kind of rain gear will really shine. For my backpack hunts in MT and someday ID, CO, UT, and WY, I will continue to take my Chugach stuff.

 

[luke moffat]

So being so breathable does it not function as well for as a wind blocker? I like the fact that both my Chugach jacket and Koldo jacket block the wind pretty darn good, but being that this is "4X more breathable" than many other rain jackets I was wondering if it would be. Be great if it was.

 

[gelton]

Just compared the specs between a few jackets...

KUIU Yukon jacket
29.2 ounces
Waterproof/Breathability rating of 20,000mm/24hr & 40,000g/m2/24hr (the 2nd rating I assume is the "MVTR" rating)

Kryptek Aegis Jacket (felt this was more of an apples to apples comparison)
32.8 Ounces
W/P: 20,000mm
MVTR: 15,000g/m2/24hrs

And just because I was curious about my new First Lite Boundary jacket
20.5 Ounces (single layer here, very little warmth)
W/P: 20,000mm
MVTR: 30,000g/m2/24hrs

Looks like my FL rain jacket is about 75% as breathable as the new Kuiu which isn't bad... but I can tell you from a recent training hike that it's still nothing I would want to hike in. 50* F outside pouring down rain, I was wearing a thin merino base layer and the rain jacket, 25 lb pack, .9 miles and 880' in elevation and I still felt like I was wearing rain gear. Obviously it's a training hike and I'm going to push myself to sweat so that has to be considered. I finally soaked my merino base layer (1/2 way up the hill) so I shucked the jacket and just dealt with getting wet and was more comfortable in every aspect.

Just something to consider...

Mike

Thanks for the info.

I have to admit that I was fairly ignorant about mvtr ratings but in doing just a bit of research it looks as if their numbers aren't so reliable. It seems that it is the wild west of "testing" these days. Wikipedia says that "Instrument manufacturers will often be able to provide test methods developed to fully exploit the specific design which they are selling. The conditions under which the measurement is made has a considerable influence on the result. Both the temperature of and humidity gradient across the sample need to be measured, controlled and recorded with the result. An MVTR result without specifying these conditions is almost meaningless. Certainly no two results should be compared unless the conditions are known. "

Patagonia doesn't publish their mvtr ratings due to this. They wrote an article about it here: http://www.thecleanestline.com/2008/07/from-the-pct-to.html

Also when comparing the two items I think price is important. There is about a $70 difference between the Aegis and Yukon and that's just the jacket. Call me crazy but I dont put much stock in the ratings in the first place and when the items have ventilated pit zips "breathability" isn't really worth the extra dough to "upgrade" from Kryptek to Kuiu ...IMO.

 

[fillthefreezer]

Thanks for the info. when the items have ventilated pit zips "breathability" isn't really worth the extra dough to "upgrade" from Kryptek to Kuiu ...IMO.

pit zips are great and i dont buy items without them but they arent the end all be all. i wear my precip jacket with the front unzipped, pit zips open, with just a 185zip underneath, and at times it marginal if im staying drier unless i slow down to like 1mph pace