KRG Echo - Sporterish version of bravo for tikkas

[General RE LEE]

I have one day of shooting with it. Grouped fine, feels like a Bravo behind the rifle- until it is fired.

Identical rifles- T3x Lites, 308win, barrels cut to 18”, UM OTB suppressors.

Echo-
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ROKStok-
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Shooting side by side with a KRG Bravo, ROKstock, and the Echo- the Echo was just not pleasant.
Probably the best way to describe it was that you feel all the vibrations during recoil- and they all get transferred to your face, shoulder, and hand. It rattles.
The feeling during recoil was so different from the Bravo that I thought something had to be loose or broken on the Echo. But No.

Reticle movement during recoil was 3-4 times as much as the ROKStok shot side by side.


I am going to look at adding a leather cheek pad and see if that helps it any. I will shoot it quite a bit more, but as it is- it may be ok on a 223 or maybe a smaller 6mm, but I would not choose it for anything with recoil.

How would you say it compares to the Tikka stock?

I’m one of those odd ones that actually likes the Tikka stock with minor modifications.

 

[Reddish]

How would you say it compares to the Tikka stock?

I’m one of those odd ones that actually likes the Tikka stock with minor modifications.

This is kind of where I am. Factory stock with vertical grip and cheek riser have worked well. I'll get a RokStok when they are available again but was interested in the Echo as an alternative for rifles I don't hunt with much.

 

[wind gypsy]

Really weird on the recoil front. Would think they are very similar to a bravo from the action back.

 

[Clark33]

Here’s mine, 20” 6.5prc, Ultra 7, 2.5-10 NXS, 9lbs 9oz. I flipped the recoil pad and that helped with the recoil management for me. Not that it was bad before but can definitely notice it’s easier to stay on target after shot.

 

[Sundodger]

How would you say it compares to the Tikka stock?

I’m one of those odd ones that actually likes the Tikka stock with minor modifications.

This is kind of where I am. Factory stock with vertical grip and cheek riser have worked well. I'll get a RokStok when they are available again but was interested in the Echo as an alternative for rifles I don't hunt with much.

Really weird on the recoil front. Would think they are very similar to a bravo from the action back.

Well, I can tell you my experience. I replaced a factory T3 lite adjustable stock on my superlite 308 with the Echo and found the exact opposite as Form. Noticeable reduction in both recoil and vibration, but I suspect his baseline stock might be different than mine. It does weigh a fair amount more than my factory adj stock and has a far softer pad, which I think most of the change was from that I saw.

 

[Formidilosus]

That rattling/vibration is felt. The 3x Bravo’s I have here are all functionally dead at the shot- there is nothing noticed good or bad. This Echo- that sound you hear in the video is felt in your face. It’s not pleasant at all.

 

[letrbuck]

That rattling/vibration is felt. The 3x Bravo’s I have here are all functionally dead at the shot- there is nothing noticed good or bad. This Echo- that sound you hear in the video is felt in your face. It’s not pleasant at all.

Well shit. I'm about 60 rounds in on my tikka build with an echo. Having not owned a bravo before, I wasn't necessarily disappointed with the echo, but not overly impressed either.

 

[HighUintas]

Tis the reason for the name. Probably not, but a funny coincidence. Had they got the weight close to 30 oz, I'd have bought one.

 

[Formidilosus]

Well shit. I'm about 60 rounds in on my tikka build with an echo. Having not owned a bravo before, I wasn't necessarily disappointed with the echo, but not overly impressed either.

It’s fine, and I would rather shoot with an Echo than the factory stock (which is fine as well), but in comparison to the Bravo and especially the ROKStok, the Echo is definitely last place.

 

[BearGuy]

I can say the echo on a .223 trainer is well worth the low price point for me personally.

 

[JDMBEND]

Only 100 rounds shot with a suppressed 6 CM. Haven’t noticed any vibration. Is very accurate. The flex in the forend bugs me, but no accuracy issues

 

[Mangata]

On the 223 t3x superlight and definitely an improvement over factory. Rokstok is ordered and looking forward to compare & contrast.

 

[BearGuy]

On the 223 t3x superlight and definitely an improvement over factory. Rokstok is ordered and looking forward to compare & contrast.

I’m sure the .223 makes it feel like the stock is better than it is just because of the low recoil

 

[Balderdash]

I have several Bravos and an Echo at home, as well as a few other, similar stocks from different manufacturers. I'll give them all a solid bunch of raps next time I have a chance to see what's up.

Just a few days ago I was shooting a Bravo, an Echo and a Browning MAX LR - which is also a similar plastic stock with adjustable comb - SXS, and I didn't notice any deficiencies with the Echo; however, it was three sufficiently different cartridges: 223 in a Bravo, 6.5 PRC in the Echo, and 6.5 CM in the Browning. When I get a chance I'll swap some like chambered Tikka actions to get more relevant comparisons.

I have a couple hundred 6.5 PRC rounds downrage in the relatively new Echo. No complaints so far and shooting it well, but now interested to see how that same rig feels in a Bravo.

 

[FLS]

I shot mine a good bit Saturday after a local match. It’s a 308 Roughtech I had loaded up with 168’s.Hornady Black. That rifle loves that ammo. I didn’t notice any vibration, but the first shot was a reminder I wasn’t shooting my .223 match gun. The Echo was easy to control shooting off a barricade. If I could find a reliable 10 round mag that fit, I would shoot a match with it.

 

[Reddish]

For those that have used both, how does the Echo compare to the Stocky's Ultra Carbon Hunter VG Tikka stock?

 

[ID_Matt]

I shot mine a good bit Saturday after a local match. It’s a 308 Roughtech I had loaded up with 168’s.Hornady Black. That rifle loves that ammo. I didn’t notice any vibration, but the first shot was a reminder I wasn’t shooting my .223 match gun. The Echo was easy to control shooting off a barricade. If I could find a reliable 10 round mag that fit, I would shoot a match with it.

Waters 10 rd 308 mag??

 

[Balderdash]

For those that have used both, how does the Echo compare to the Stocky's Ultra Carbon Hunter VG Tikka stock?

I run each of them. I wouldn't really say they're comparable products, other than they're both handles for rifles. Weight is the biggest difference, but adjustability and accessory availability on the KRG, and others of the ilk, puts them in a bit of a different class from the VG, IMO.

I've found the VG's to be great for rigs on which weight is the overriding concern; otherwise, I find the KRG's to be a better set up for higher volume and/or longer range rigs. Really comes down to your intended use profile, your caliber choice, and your ability to shoot LW rigs well. For me, unless the hikes are really long and/or the hills are really steep, I don't mind the weight penalty of the KRG's and other heavier stocks.

 

[Hurley88]

This is kind of where I am. Factory stock with vertical grip and cheek riser have worked well. I'll get a RokStok when they are available again but was interested in the Echo as an alternative for rifles I don't hunt with much.

How would you say it compares to the Tikka stock?

I’m one of those odd ones that actually likes the Tikka stock with minor modifications.

I also like the factory stock. I’ve given away an Echo & have another sitting in the gun room with no home, and swapped back to the factory stock. If you guys like the factory stock you likely won’t end up favoring the Echo.

I felt the “harsh” recoil characteristics but have until now just assumed the recoil pad was garbage. Had I stuck with the stock I’d have swapped it for sure.

Of all the stocks I’ve tried my favorites have been the factory stock & Rokstok. I’m about to order an uninletted VG to fix the trigger reach bc I hate the thought of building up the grip area. That would be an awesome showdown.

 

[TheM1DoesMyTalking]

I’m about to order an uninletted VG to fix the trigger reach bc I hate the thought of building up the grip area.

Please document this and start a new thread on how you do this inletting on a VG stock!