Is There Ever a Time to Hunt with Magnum Calibers?

[j3h8]

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I think some people are recoil sensitive. Thats a fact, but to make a blanket claim you did is BS. You may shoot a 223 more accurate than a 338 win mag, but that doesn’t mean every body else is a sissy.

Lay machismo aside, and process what I said. Stop looking at the fact that you think you are a man because you shoot a magnum caliber. My wife shoots a magnum caliber. She's far from a man. Take a breather process the thought. Then get back to us.

 

[PredatorSlayer]

I don't see where he made a "claim" at all. He invited you to shoot both rifles. Try it and come back with your results. Real world beats keyboard facts every time!

I have several different rifles. I shoot them all equally well. I am not recoil sensitive . To me, heavier rifles are easier to shoot regardless of recoil. A 10lb 300 rum and a 10lb 223 are the same to me. I think a 7lb 223 is harder to shoot accurately than a 10lb 300 rum. The lighter rifles are more sensitive to the smallest movements from breathing etc.

 

[j3h8]

I have several different rifles. I shoot them all equally well. I am not recoil sensitive . To me, heavier rifles are easier to shoot regardless of recoil. A 10lb 300 rum and a 10lb 223 are the same to me. I think a 7lb 223 is harder to shoot accurately than a 10lb 300 rum. The lighter rifles are more sensitive to the smallest movements from breathing etc.

Your entire statement is a non-sequitter. You're not making a valid point. All things being equal, a 7 lb 223 can be shot better than a 7 lb 338 and a 10 lb 223 can damn sure be shot better than a 10 lb 300 rum. I don't care who you are and how sensitive you are to recoil. It's physics. This doesn't speak to the accuracy of the rifles. We're not contesting that here just so you don't take this on another tangent.

 

[PredatorSlayer]

Your entire statement is a non-sequitter. You're not making a valid point. All things being equal, a 7 lb 223 can be shot better than a 7 lb 338 and a 10 lb 223 can damn sure be shot better than a 10 lb 300 rum. I don't care who you are and how sensitive you are to recoil. It's physics. This doesn't speak to the accuracy of the rifles. We're not contesting that here just so you don't take this on another tangent.

You are saying it doesn’t matter who the shooter is, they will always shoot a 223 better than a 300 rum? Up until the point it goes bang, the physics are the exact same.

 

[j3h8]

You are saying it doesn’t matter who the shooter is, they will always shoot a 223 better than a 300 rum? Up until the point it goes bang, the physics are the exact same.

Ok. I'm done. You win

 

[JPW13]

You are saying it doesn’t matter who the shooter is, they will always shoot a 223 better than a 300 rum? Up until the point it goes bang, the physics are the exact same.

What does that mean? "The physics are the exact same" - when everything is static? Ok. But when the 223 goes bang it's going to move less, and be easier to control then the 300 rum - all other things equal. That's the whole point.

 

[Shortschaf]

You are saying it doesn’t matter who the shooter is, they will always shoot a 223 better than a 300 rum? Up until the point it goes bang, the physics are the exact same.

Hit rates increase when recoil decreases

With obvious exceptions (.22lr is not adequate for 1000 yard shooting)
Is that a more acceptable statement?

 

[wapitibob]

Every day is a Magnum day.

 

[atmat]

Sure…

Scientific testing confirms the intuitive relationship between recoil and accuracy. In 2017, the U.S. Army Research Laboratory conducted a controlled study to quantify how subtle differences in recoil energy affect shooter performance. They found that “recoil condition did… influence shot placement, with accuracy decreasing as the energy associated with firing increased.” In other words, even with trained shooters and only slight changes in recoil, higher recoil resulted in worse accuracy (larger shot dispersion). Interestingly, the study noted that shooters maintained similar split times (rate of fire) regardless of recoil, suggesting experienced shooters could work around recoil in terms of timing, but could not avoid its effect on precision . This backs up the common wisdom: recoil makes accurate shot placement harder. The study underscores that recoil management is not just about comfort but measurable performance – as recoil energy went up, groups opened up.

I have several different rifles. I shoot them all equally well. I am not recoil sensitive .

You asked for scientific evidence and then respond by saying you’re the exception. Classic @PredatorSlayer

 

[K9kodi]

Some people enjoy a little discomfort. When would someone shoot 10 rounds of 338 win mag in fast repetition?

 

[JPW13]

Some people enjoy a little discomfort. When would someone shoot 10 rounds of 338 win mag in fast repetition?

No idea, but what does that have to do with precision of a 338 vs something lighter recoiling?

 

[K9kodi]

Actually the precision is built into the gun, the lack of precision is the shooter

 

[atmat]

Actually the precision is built into the gun, the lack of precision is the shooter

Precision of the rifle-shooter combination. You’re arguing semantics.

 

[SteveAndTheCrigBoys]

"The rearward motion of the rifle while the bullet is still in the barrel is clear. Any deviation from the exact line of recoil will cause dispersion from basic aiming error - the gun pointed somewhere different than it was when you broke the trigger. As a shooter you have some control over this with consistent fundamentals, recoil management, etc. But you're not managing it down to the 0.001" on every shot. Precision rifles that inherently shoot small groups need to minimize the movement of the platform prior to bullet exit."

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=409154287939163

More recoil = more barrel movement prior to the bullet exiting = less precision (given the above qualifications)

 

[K9kodi]

Precision of the rifle-shooter combination. You’re arguing semantics.

Good thing I was talking about the rifle itself, a caliber was mentioned, not a combo of rifle and shooter.

 

[PredatorSlayer]

Hit rates increase when recoil decreases

With obvious exceptions (.22lr is not adequate for 1000 yard shooting)
Is that a more acceptable statement?

You are just spouting out rokslide cult doctrine…i dont believe that is a true statement for every shooter.

 

[thinhorn_AK]

You are just spouting out rokslide cult doctrine…i dont believe that is a true statement for every shooter.

The military sort of proved it back after World War One. There’s a whole chapter about it in “the American rifle”. The only reason the 30-06 stuck around is that the country had a massive surplus of the ammo and there was a lot of anti military sentiment in the country so the funding for a new rifle/cartridge was halted.

 

[Shortschaf]

You are just spouting out rokslide cult doctrine…i dont believe that is a true statement for every shooter.

Both my hunting rifles are magnums and while I can shoot them accurately, I cannot shoot them as accurately from non-prone positions as my heavy barreled 6.5 creed

And I am personally aware of 0 people who are different in that regard

 

[atmat]

Good thing I was talking about the rifle itself, a caliber was mentioned, not a combo of rifle and shooter.

A rifle can’t shoot itself so it’s not really part of the conversation lol

No one is arguing that a higher caliber rifle is not as accurate as a lower caliber. People are saying they can’t be shot as well.

 

[huntnful]

Both my hunting rifles are magnums and while I can shoot them accurately, I cannot shoot them as accurately from non-prone positions as my heavy barreled 6.5 creed

I'm in the same boat. Can't shoot them AS good. But shoot them good enough to easily kill animals in the field from non prone positions at close/mid ranges when the target is 4+ MOA. I've stacked coyotes with lapua magnums seated from a bipod. They're much smaller than deer/elk.