Is there anyone who prefers MOA vs MIls for hunting purposes?

[Jhconnected]

Yall are all crazy. I use Kentucky wind age. Sight every gun 2” high at 100 which means they’re all dead nuts on at 200 and then I hold 6” above it’s back at 300. Simple.

 

[CMP70306]

Works for me, in reality the majority of us are reading drops off some type of calculator so MIL or MOA doesn’t really matter.

 

[Sneaker]

I’ve only ever used MOA and it makes sense to me. Haven’t shot or hunted with anyone that was a MIL user that I even know of haha.

 

[CorbLand]

Everything I own is MOA. For the simple reason that the people I hunt with also use MOA so there’s no confusion. Same reason I still pack a 7mag or 30-06. It’s what the people I hunt with use. Keeps everything similar.

 

[The Guide]

Everything I own is MOA. For the simple reason that the people I hunt with also use MOA so there’s no confusion. Same reason I still pack a 7mag or 30-06. It’s what the people I hunt with use. Keeps everything similar.

Do you even RokSlide, bro? Heathen!

Jay

 

[Jdeck09]

I use MOA on my rifles currently but I think I might slowly make the switch to Mils. After shooting the NRL hunter and most of the guys were using Mils and their range and will calls were a lot easy than mine. Dialing 28.5 MOA for a 1,000 yard target with 10 mils was a pain.

Same for a target at 850 yards was a 17 moa vs 8.5 mils.

 

[Jhconnected]

Do you even RokSlide, bro? Heathen!

Jay

Can’t be a true rokslider unless you shoot a 6 CM with ELD-Ms out of your Tikka with a MIL scope on the list of scopes that passed the torture test.

 

[atmat]

Works for me, in reality the majority of us are reading drops off some type of calculator so MIL or MOA doesn’t really matter.

I use quick drop and wind brackets inside of 600y. Super easy with mils, near impossible with MOA

 

[TaperPin]

If someone likes one or the other there’s very little difference from the shooters I see at the range. As a practical matter there is no way around using what works and what works is plain to see.

The idea that someone using mils is somehow able to magically figure drop in their head as if gifted from birth doesn’t match what I see. I see guys who can’t function without a printout, or a solution from their gizmo. I applaud the guys who train together for quick shots using mils and for them I have no doubt it’s better - many guys I’m around should go to Form’s classes. Using mils that match trajectories of bullets moving at the speed of smell is more work from what I’ve seen, not less. In one afternoon I became bored listening to how correction factors are needed and calculated for my average flat shooting rifles.

I’m a carpenter at heart and by trade, and hobby metal worker so anything inch related comes naturally and interpolating tenths of inches or quarters is no harder than paying for lunch with a pocket full of change. For you young guys who have never seen it, “change” is a system of coins used as money before your credit card had apple tap. The idea that MOA is cursed and nobody actually understands it, or can use it is silly.

My 300 yard zero works great in MOA to any range I’ll be hunting. Call me crazy, but in one afternoon a teenager can remember enough to hit out to 600 yards with any fairly flat shooting rifle.

400 yards is a 2.5 MOA.
500 yards is 5 MOA.
600 yards is 7.5.

Every 20 yards is .5 MOA - super easy. Even slow thinking cousin Timmy who was dropped on his head as a kid can remember all this.

Most of the shot spotting bs is just shooting farther than you should. If you can’t connect with a first shot, you’re fooling yourself.

 

[CorbLand]

Do you even RokSlide, bro? Heathen!

Jay

Mommy taught me not to succumb to peer pressure.

 

[Dmoua]

They both work. I own both and use both regularly.

 

[wind gypsy]

Can’t be a true rokslider unless you shoot a 6 CM with ELD-Ms out of your Tikka with a MIL scope on the list of scopes that passed the torture test.

 

[longrangelead]

I was a MOA guy for 20 years and even tried to understand MILS once. The Youtubes made it WAY more complicated than it is.
After listening to Form's 15 minute podcast on MOA vs MILS, (S2H FF No. 11) I understood its simplicity and gave it a try with a SWFA/223.

The simplicity is what makes it better than MOA. If you have all day to range, check wind and check your phone/dope, Sure MOA is just as effective.
Where it counts is when your shot is NOT at a convenient whole yardage like 300yds and you're about to watch the biggest buck of your life exit left in 6 seconds.

MILS is 10 based, larger measurement so smaller numbers to remember between dope and dial.
wind brackets and quick drop take some explaining to understand but allow you to make a VERY close approximation in less time than it takes to dial the scope.

It's a language, learn it, speak it, think it. Do everything in it. Teach your partners or let them watch MILS in action while they just stand there because they know they don't have enough time to do it their way.
Not knowing MILS, quick drop and wind brackets cost me a decent 6 point bull several years ago. Knowing what I know now, he would have been dead as soon as he cleared the trees without question.

experience is a cruel misstress...

 

[Hnthrdr]

I know mils is the more popular option for longe range shooters and I understand alot of the benefits.

But I was thinking about a pure hunting situation when you have a spotter watching through a non reticle spotting scope while hunting and the shooter is shooting at a animal. The shooter misses and the spotter yells out 5” low. To me I can instantly convert that in my head to 5 moa at 500 yards distance.

Wondering what everyone’s thoughts are on that? Would like to switch over but getting hung up on that scenario


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I think it would convert to 1 moa at 500 yards… I use moa, most of my scopes are set that way, I need to learn mils… maybe someday haha , that said I’ve bought and sold like 3 mils scopes so I’ll likely stick with moa…

 

[Jordan Smith]

An advantage, especially on the range, but with arbitrary target ranges, that advantage goes away.
But what mil/iphy have and moa does not is the ability to convert angular/absolute with only arithmetic and no scientific calculator.

Target distance is irrelevant. The advantage is the simplicity in dialing/holding DOPE and (when needed) assessing shot corrections.

 

[Jhconnected]

I was a MOA guy for 20 years and even tried to understand MILS once. The Youtubes made it WAY more complicated than it is.
After listening to Form's 15 minute podcast on MOA vs MILS, (S2H FF No. 11) I understood its simplicity and gave it a try with a SWFA/223.

The simplicity is what makes it better than MOA. If you have all day to range, check wind and check your phone/dope, Sure MOA is just as effective.
Where it counts is when your shot is NOT at a convenient whole yardage like 300yds and you're about to watch the biggest buck of your life exit left in 6 seconds.

MILS is 10 based, larger measurement so smaller numbers to remember between dope and dial.
wind brackets and quick drop take some explaining to understand but allow you to make a VERY close approximation in less time than it takes to dial the scope.

It's a language, learn it, speak it, think it. Do everything in it. Teach your partners or let them watch MILS in action while they just stand there because they know they don't have enough time to do it their way.
Not knowing MILS, quick drop and wind brackets cost me a decent 6 point bull several years ago. Knowing what I know now, he would have been dead as soon as he cleared the trees without question.

experience is a cruel misstress...

I’ve listened to said this podcast. I’d like to learn more about quick drops and wind brackets. Anyone have any resources?

It also seems like something you have to test out and qualify on your rifle (as all things).

 

[atmat]

I’ve listened to said this podcast. I’d like to learn more about quick drops and wind brackets. Anyone have any resources?

It also seems like something you have to test out and qualify on your rifle (as all things).

Thread 'How to use a mil/mil scope-reticle, turrets and proper usage'

Jul 1, 2023

I have gotten a bunch of requests to write up a "how to" for using mil reticle scoots. In this case the SWFA Milquad reticle. It is the 6x42mm SS with MQ reticle in the pictures, however the process and use is the same as long as you have a scope who's reticle matches the turret adjustments- mil/mil or MOA/MOA. Mil/mil has some advantages, but the system works regardless.



The set up-



Tikka T3 SL in 223
SWFA SS 6x42mm MQ
Pic base and rings
Blackhills 5.56mm 77gr SMKs


Also a Leupold Mark4 12-40x60mm spotter with H32 reticle. This is not...

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^^ that’s a good thread that covers both topics.

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

If someone likes one or the other there’s very little difference from the shooters I see at the range. As a practical matter there is no way around using what works and what works is plain to see.

The idea that someone using mils is somehow able to magically figure drop in their head as if gifted from birth doesn’t match what I see. I see guys who can’t function without a printout, or a solution from their gizmo. I applaud the guys who train together for quick shots using mils and for them I have no doubt it’s better - many guys I’m around should go to Form’s classes. Using mils that match trajectories of bullets moving at the speed of smell is more work from what I’ve seen, not less. In one afternoon I became bored listening to how correction factors are needed and calculated for my average flat shooting rifles.

I’m a carpenter at heart and by trade, and hobby metal worker so anything inch related comes naturally and interpolating tenths of inches or quarters is no harder than paying for lunch with a pocket full of change. For you young guys who have never seen it, “change” is a system of coins used as money before your credit card had apple tap. The idea that MOA is cursed and nobody actually understands it, or can use it is silly.

My 300 yard zero works great in MOA to any range I’ll be hunting. Call me crazy, but in one afternoon a teenager can remember enough to hit out to 600 yards with any fairly flat shooting rifle.

400 yards is a 2.5 MOA.
500 yards is 5 MOA.
600 yards is 7.5.

Every 20 yards is .5 MOA - super easy. Even slow thinking cousin Timmy who was dropped on his head as a kid can remember all this.

Most of the shot spotting bs is just shooting farther than you should. If you can’t connect with a first shot, you’re fooling yourself.

That sure would be nice if animals only came out and stood there in 50 and 100 yard increments.

What is the strategy you teach Timmy for the wind side of things? A fellow curious head dropped kid (me) is curious.

 

[wapitibob]

If I was 5” under the of point of aim, I’d aim 5” higher, moa or mil wouldn’t be a thought.

 

[5811]

I know mils is the more popular option for longe range shooters and I understand alot of the benefits.

The shooter misses and the spotter yells out 5” low. To me I can instantly convert that in my head to 5 moa at 500 yards distance.

Wondering what everyone’s thoughts are on that?

I don't wear a tinfoil hat, but I own one. I think you posted that deliberately to make MOA shooters reconsider their choice. I think the rokscope is coming out soon (only in mils- maybe?) and you are an industry plant to drive people to mils. Otherwise, this is a simulation because there's no way that's real.