Is a 6.5 PRC enough? Do I need a 7mm?

mxgsfmdpx said:
You have a synopsis you could share? I’m not a fan in general of the very few pieces I’ve listened to from those guys. Maybe this one is different?
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This is Jim Shockey
mxgsfmdpx said:
“Carry the energy as far as possible” lol. I turned it off after that sorry.
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Yeah ? I guess Jim doesn’t know much….


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BCDJR said:
This is Jim Shockey

Yeah ? I guess Jim doesn’t know much….


Hunting & Conservation Awards

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What does any it that have to do with factual terminal ballistics?

Just saying “Jim says so” is an appeal to authority fallacy.
 
Formidilosus said:
What does any it that have to do with factual terminal ballistics?

Just saying “Jim says so” is an appeal to authority fallacy.
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He refers in the video that his input was from the Hornady family who was on a 5 day bear hunt with him. Think the Hornady family knows a bit? Combined with his decades of guiding and personally hunting he has tremendous credibility.
 
BCDJR said:
He refers in the video that his input was from the Hornady family who was on a 5 day bear hunt with him. Think the Hornady family knows a bit? Combined with his decades of guiding and personally hunting he has tremendous credibility.
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Again- that is an appeal to authority. Why do I need to “think” anyone knows anything?

The information about what bullets factually do in tissue is available, and it has nothing to do with a name or a family.
 
BCDJR said:
This is Jim Shockey

Yeah ? I guess Jim doesn’t know much….


Hunting & Conservation Awards

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Sorry I don’t know what any of those accolades mean and I’ve never met him. I’m not interested in those types of things personally.

I’m a huge proponent of “use what you want” cartridge wise for killing. But when your “advice” for moose and bear is “300 PRC because only the military and hornady got to use it and it carries the energy” I’m turning you off my phone screen sorry.

If in person, we can have a good conversation about “energy” and maybe learn a few things from each other. That’s what I’m interested in.
 
BCDJR said:
Watch the video…he learned a lot from the Hornady’s. Dont assume
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You think Hornady flew up there to educate Jim? You do know he is sponsored and paid by Hornady right?

After his Hornady sponsor, (cough, BOSS), visited Jim, he now needs a shiny new 300 PRC, burning 80 grains of powder, with 40lbs of recoil? It's pushing a marketing agenda to drive Hornady ammo sales of a certain caliber to make more $$$$. Hornady is about marketing products and making money. I don't need a 212gr bullet going 2860fps to kill game generating 40lbs recoil. I'm sure other people love that horsepower sniping out to 1600+ yards?

The OP's question, a 6.5 PRC is enough at about 20lbs recoil, shot placement, with a good bullet, it will penetrate the vitals and put big game down. It burns around 60 grains powder. Yes, bigger, heavier, bullets will kill game, but you are generating more recoil is all. Some people like the horsepower. I used to be of that mindset 30 years ago, but I don't think that way anymore.
 
OK since someone reported someone for name calling, I had to go back through this thread and delete several posts from several people that were arguing, bickering, name calling, or just didn't even apply to the original topic.

Stay on topic, engage in conversation about said topic, stating your opinion for either side and keep it civil or this thread will unfotunalty be locked
 
BCDJR said:
He refers in the video that his input was from the Hornady family who was on a 5 day bear hunt with him. Think the Hornady family knows a bit? Combined with his decades of guiding and personally hunting he has tremendous credibility.
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You are being sold snake oil by rich fudd's dressed up like Ted Nugent...

Listen to episodes 469,470, and 479. Also check out tha 6mm/264, 223, and 6.5 threads on this forum for lots of evidence of "small" caliber effectiveness. Once you emerge from the cave and see that you were simply interpreting shadows of reality you will then be able to see the truth and base your actions on evidence based reasoning. We all have to make assumptions but when we have good data we need to use it otherwise the terrorists win. At the moment it appears your reasoning is purely assumptions and hearsay which is appropriate when you have insignificant amounts of data to work with.

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A 6.5mm PRC is just a magnum 6.5mm Creedmoor.

It adds about 250 FPS of muzzle velocity -- at the cost of roughly 50% more recoil.
 
BCDJR said:
If you can accurately shoot bigger guns as well why not.
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From my experience, that "if" is doing a lot of work and people just aren't honest with themselves. Everyone can make their own choices, but for me, my practice and shooting have gotten so much better since dropping down in recoil. After years of "the recoil doesn't bother me".
 
Diamondback said:
You think Hornady flew up there to educate Jim? You do know he is sponsored and paid by Hornady right?

After his Hornady sponsor visited Jim, he now needs a shiny new 300 PRC, burning 80 grains of powder, with 40lbs of recoil?

The OP's question, a 6.5 PRC is enough at about 20lbs recoil, shot placement, with a good bullet, it will pernitrate the vitals and put big game down. It is enough for big game and it is basically a modern 270 Win with higher BC bullets, burns around 60 grain powder, 120gr - 150gr bullets.
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Are not all PRC of Hornady heritage? So he could have endorsed them all or none
 
Packmansion said:
This is an advertisement that appeals to a certain market segment. You dont hire a guy in snake skin boots to try to sell feminine European calibers like 6.5mm. Hornady is trying to reach every customer to include the suburban desk jockey cowboy.
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Nailed it. They’re all paid to say what they’re saying and to appeal to each of their individual audiences. It’s all bullshit. They didn’t kill it with a 300 PRC. They killed it with a 200gr. 30 cal bullet going 2800fps. They’re just paid to say “PRC” or creedmoor or whatever is in their contract. It’s so blatantly obvious. People on TV or with large YouTube channels only say what they’re paid to say. They’ll use junk and tell you how great it is too, if that company pays them enough.
 
Since a 6.5 PRC is basically a modern 6.5X55 at higher velocity with better BC bullets, it must be better.
 
BCDJR said:
This is Jim Shockey

Yeah ? I guess Jim doesn’t know much….


Hunting & Conservation Awards

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My dad killed a ton of really nice bucks. Using a 16 gauge shotgun with buckshot. While I like and respect Jim a lot, those awards don’t mean he understands the terminal ballistics of smaller cartridges.
 
JackButler said:
My dad killed a ton of really nice bucks. Using a 16 gauge shotgun with buckshot. While I like and respect Jim a lot, those awards don’t mean he understands the terminal ballistics of smaller cartridges.
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