Idaho NR Draw Bill… thoughts?

[Steve O]

Does anyone know how many NR applicants didn’t get tags during the Dec 1 fiasco this past year? Or what percentage got tags vs applied?


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How many tags did they give out? I saw one guy screen shot he was 45,000th or so in line. Had to be at least that many. Too bad you can’t disqualify all the scumbags logged in on multiple devices.

 

[WeiserBucks]

As long as it doesn't involve points in any way, shape or form I'm all for it.

 

[Bigolmuley]

I am NR. But have 800 acres in a general zone. I just want to hunt my ground. Every year I stress I won’t get a tag. Luckily I have been able to. This past Dec. had a buddy there to get one for me. Otherwise I would be out. To be honest I would rather have the draw. I may not get one, but I hate the anxiety of it all. Maybe landowner appreciation general tags?


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[dreamingbig]

This bill would end OTC in Idaho. I am not opposed if they don’t attach preference points and allow a party to apply together. Max of 4.

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[MTN BUM]

I think it is better than the current system, but I dont like that it is a legislative initiative. We have to stop this crap. This is how we get wolves in CO, by doing one thing we agree with and then that precedent comes back to dry hump us.

 

[Jason Snyder]

As unlikely as it is I hate the idea of somebody putting in to a completely random draw for 15 years and not getting a tag while others draw every year.

If you choose high demand units this is part of the consequence.

 

[Jason Snyder]

Too bad you can’t disqualify all the scumbags logged in on multiple devices.

That’s certainly a huge flaw in the system.

 

[Travis Hobbs]

Keep the legislation out of it. Let the fish and game commission make these decisions. By allowing politicians a say in wildlife matters we end up with BS bills like this one where if an outfitter shoots a wolf they get a Moose/Sheep/Goat tag

ID Bill S1340

I‘m not at liberty to divulge the details, but I’ve had some professional dealings with the legislator in question. He’s a first-class tool imho. This latest piece of legislation only strengthens my previously-formed opinion.

rokslide.com

I’m pretty sure the game and fish and the commission do not have the authority to change OTC allocations to draw or really a lot of how it is going currently, including fees, etc, it has to be legislatively done. The commission I’m pretty sure talked about this in the December Commission meeting in Boise.

The reason I believe we are seeing a bill.

 

[Ross]

Having been a purchaser of nonresident tags for 30 yrs, NO on the draw system. The current system allows you to find a way to buy a tag every year, a draw is just luck.

 

[Davisjj8]

If you choose high demand units this is part of the consequence.

I think the consequence is lower overall draw odds. I was pointing to not the fact that in a completely random draw 1 person could draw every single year for 15 years and 1 could never draw in those 15 years. Just completely luck based. I think giving a single point to apps that didn’t get a tag the year before would eliminate the likelihood of that. I would hate a true preference point system because I don’t want point creep and to wait 20 years to draw though.


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[Jason Snyder]

I’m pretty sure the game and fish and the commission do not have the authority to change OTC allocations to draw or really a lot of how it is going currently, including fees, etc, it has to be legislatively done. The commission I’m pretty sure talked about this in the December Commission meeting in Boise.

The reason I believe we are seeing a bill.

Correct. IDFG would need the statutory authority to implement a draw. This bill grants that to them. The legislature then directs IDFG to write and implement the rules governing the drawing process.

 

[packer58]

I like it ........ Providing no point system and group apps max (4)

 

[180ls1]

That’s certainly a huge flaw in the system.

Yeah, sadly, just the rookies use multiple devices. There are some who use 1 device and have dozens (or more) of spots.

 

[PredatoronthePrairie]

Anyone else get the sinking feeling the commission and IDGF see the dollars that just WY's PP bring in and want in on the action?

 

[180ls1]

Anyone else get the sinking feeling the IDGF sees the dollars that just WY's PP bring in and want in on the action?

I'm OK with it as long as they fire the dude who does their website/draw and pay someone who actually knows what a computer is.

 

[Travis Hobbs]

Anyone else get the sinking feeling the commission and IDGF see the dollars that just WY's PP bring in and want in on the action?

It’s not a feeling, at least one commissioner publicly stated it in commission meeting

 

[bergie]

I’m pretty sure the game and fish and the commission do not have the authority to change OTC allocations to draw or really a lot of how it is going currently, including fees, etc, it has to be legislatively done. The commission I’m pretty sure talked about this in the December Commission meeting in Boise.

The reason I believe we are seeing a bill.

I was unaware of this. In general I am completely opposed to politicians meddling in fish and game matters, see the example I quoted above. However, if this is the only avenue for the department to implement a NR draw I suppose I support it. It should also do nothing but slightly up my odds for the big three here in Idaho so I can't complain about that either.

 

[flathead#2]

Please, NO POINT SYSTEM.

 

[Z Barebow]

Keep the legislation out of it. Let the fish and game commission make these decisions. By allowing politicians a say in wildlife matters we end up with BS bills like this one where if an outfitter shoots a wolf they get a Moose/Sheep/Goat tag

ID Bill S1340

I‘m not at liberty to divulge the details, but I’ve had some professional dealings with the legislator in question. He’s a first-class tool imho. This latest piece of legislation only strengthens my previously-formed opinion.

rokslide.com

+1. Does the current system suck? Yup. Should the legislature be involved in being granted the authorization to conduct a draw? (Or any other wildlife management decision) NO!

Draw system should originate in G&F. If G&F currently does not have authority, have legislature grant it to them.

I can GUARANTEE the language in this bill was deliberately written vaguely and wide open. (IE The legislature will figure out the "details" later) If this happens, you can bet the bank every special interest group will be lobbying legislators for carve outs. (Fill in the blank) What seems straight forward initially will be mucked up in conference committee and what eventually passes will only have glimpses of original language.

Once reconciled in conference committee and signed by gov, we read the details, and people will be standing around and wondering "What just happened?"

+12 on NO POINTS. (Preference or Bonus) Straight random draw.

 

[dhatter9]

Im sure it’ll go to a draw eventually. There was a lot of frustration this year for people trying to get tags and that pool seems to grow every year. Just please, no points in any way shape or form.