Indian Summer
WKR
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- Feb 17, 2013
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You will never succeed. Those grazing permits are grandfathered in and the people involved care more about ranching than your hunting. An easier strategy would be to join the wolf huggers and pray more wolves will run the livestock out of the hills. Your government is more sympathetic to the pro wolf crowd than us Bambi killers.
Trust me I have tried. You can’t even get any cooperation when they break the rules let alone when they are within the guidelines of their permit. I had a cattle rancher, who was also a neighbor, running cows in my outfitting area. He was supposed to have his cows off the mountain by September 1. He grazed about 200. I could see a hundred in mid October and if I said something to the Forest Rangers all they would say is cows are cows he is allowed 10% stragglers after his dates pass. Sorry we cannot verify how many are still up there. They could be someone else’s.
Ranchers have friends and family that work for or with the Forest Service. Ranchers have friends in politics. Some ranchers are involved in politics. That right there tells you that your efforts are doomed!
They see it as simple as they are trying to make a living and we just want to kill $h1t. I know we represent millions of dollars to those states but that’s Fish and Game revenue and they have nothing to do with grazing. The ranchers and tree huggers couldn’t care less about hunters or the fish and game departments. So I hate to say it but sheep aren’t everywhere and you are better served by spending your time finding somewhere else to hunt.
And as someone above said... just move over a little when they pass through. If you hunt ridge A and the sheep herder rolls through there will be more elk over on ridges B and C so just go check it out. Good luck.
Trust me I have tried. You can’t even get any cooperation when they break the rules let alone when they are within the guidelines of their permit. I had a cattle rancher, who was also a neighbor, running cows in my outfitting area. He was supposed to have his cows off the mountain by September 1. He grazed about 200. I could see a hundred in mid October and if I said something to the Forest Rangers all they would say is cows are cows he is allowed 10% stragglers after his dates pass. Sorry we cannot verify how many are still up there. They could be someone else’s.
Ranchers have friends and family that work for or with the Forest Service. Ranchers have friends in politics. Some ranchers are involved in politics. That right there tells you that your efforts are doomed!
They see it as simple as they are trying to make a living and we just want to kill $h1t. I know we represent millions of dollars to those states but that’s Fish and Game revenue and they have nothing to do with grazing. The ranchers and tree huggers couldn’t care less about hunters or the fish and game departments. So I hate to say it but sheep aren’t everywhere and you are better served by spending your time finding somewhere else to hunt.
And as someone above said... just move over a little when they pass through. If you hunt ridge A and the sheep herder rolls through there will be more elk over on ridges B and C so just go check it out. Good luck.
