IADNR bans cell cam "scouting" during hunting season

[rookieforever33]

Private land should be allowed to use cameras. I dont think you should place them on public land. If its on your land and can see public land that is fine. Its not that I expect privacy on public land, but I dont want to see a line of cameras everywhere I go on public. Imagine the outcry of residents if every waterhole was surrounded by cell cams with solar panels sending pictures to non residents all year long.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

For me, it all comes down to “hunting” versus “killing.” If I use a camera to tell me exactly where the deer is before I enter the woods, then I might as well walk out into the pasture and shoot one of my cows. Or go shoot at a cardboard cutout and then go buy a steak. Too much of “hunting” has been taken away to where everything is boiled down to the shot.


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[AlphaK9]

For me, it all comes down to “hunting” versus “killing.” If I use a camera to tell me exactly where the deer is before I enter the woods, then I might as well walk out into the pasture and shoot one of my cows. Or go shoot at a cardboard cutout and then go buy a steak. Too much of “hunting” has been taken away to where everything is boiled down to the shot.


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Well said!

 

[Elkangle]

For me, it all comes down to “hunting” versus “killing.” If I use a camera to tell me exactly where the deer is before I enter the woods, then I might as well walk out into the pasture and shoot one of my cows. Or go shoot at a cardboard cutout and then go buy a steak. Too much of “hunting” has been taken away to where everything is boiled down to the shot.


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tell me you dont run cameras with out telling me you dont run cameras

 

[Elkangle]

I’ll admit, I’ve killed a Couple or more really nice deer based on pictures. (Cellular and regular cams) knew which stand to head to that evening as the pictures gave me a pretty good idea as to where he was bedded.(I was right). I’ve also had the thought to quit using cams all together as it take the excitement of the “unknowns” and “what if” out of the hunt to some extent. I found myself this year not even going hunting cause I didn’t have pictures of a good buck.

I can see both sides to the argument for sure.

How mamy deer did you not shoot based on those trail camera photos of the bigger bucks

Trail cams save alot of deer

 

[TimeOnTarget]

How mamy deer did you not shoot based on those trail camera photos of the bigger bucks

Trail cams save alot of deer

Good question. I certainly end up with the “that” buck of nothing mentality some years.

 

[USMC-40]

Way too much self righteousness going on in here - if you don’t want to use cameras, don’t. If you do, do it. I do t like the gov telling me what to do on my land (I have used all types of cameras before, but currently don’t use any outside of on a couple gates, for security reasons).

We as hunters need to quit eating our own. I don’t agree with hunting high fence places, but if that’s your jam, go for it.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

Way too much self righteousness going on in here - if you don’t want to use cameras, don’t. If you do, do it. I do t like the gov telling me what to do on my land (I have used all types of cameras before, but currently don’t use any outside of on a couple gates, for security reasons).

We as hunters need to quit eating our own. I don’t agree with hunting high fence places, but if that’s your jam, go for it.

I don’t mind how you hunt on your land. That’s your business. Means and methods should be almost entirely up to the hunter on private land.

This topic is about public land. That’s an entirely different thing.


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[USMC-40]

I don’t mind how you hunt on your land. That’s your business. Means and methods should be almost entirely up to the hunter on private land.

This topic is about public land. That’s an entirely different thing.


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I apologize - I read several pages where public and private land were discussed.

 

[HuntHarder]

The private vs. public debate is difficult imo. Game and Fish tells us exactly when we can hunt game animals, how many we can shoot, means of take and methods in which we can pursue them and has the ultimate jurisdiction on both public and private.

I get the ,it's my land argument, as I feel I would have similar feelings. I also see it as the animals belong to everyone and are managed by the state or feds.

 

[Elkangle]

Nobody will be more succeful with trail camera bans...the same killers will still kill and the same people bitching will just find something new to bitch about

What category would you like to fall into

 

[Crowmangler]

Nobody will be more succeful with trail camera bans...the same killers will still kill and the same people bitching will just find something new to bitch about

What category would you like to fall into

I'd like to fall into the category of:
- The good bucks will be more successful by living longer & passing on good genetics.

IMO this is more "unsportsmanlike" than party hunting which is illegal in many states. At least with 1 guy and 8 bros stomping around & covering 5 square miles trying to find the tag holder a good animal, all the bros eventually have to go back to camp after dark or go to work at some point.

If you read my previous comment about the Seek video, he stops his hunt dead in its tracks in Ohio to drive all the way back to GA & kill a big buck that magically appeared on his phone. In a matter of a few hours he kills that buck & hauls ass back to OH. Does anyone think he would've just up & done that on a hunch? Do you think that buck would still be alive now & passing along his genes? who knows?

Yes, I know they're legal so go ahead & roast me, IDGAF.

 

[HuntHarder]

Nobody will be more succeful with trail camera bans...the same killers will still kill and the same people bitching will just find something new to bitch about

What category would you like to fall into

You should do a little research or experience for yourself the difference in Az's northern premiere MD units. Much. much more difficult to pattern bucks and know their moves. Area is unique because there isn't that much water available. None the less, the hunts have absolutely changed.. Trail cam ban here is total for all land. I don't miss them.

 

[Szwampdonkey]

So, what are you communists gonna lobby to have banned in 2 years when the same guy you're jealous of is still knocking down giants?

They ban cell cams these guys you’re talking about aren’t “ still knocking down giants” they’re quitting.

Good riddance, they weren’t hunters anyways.

 

[Elkangle]

You should do a little research or experience for yourself the difference in Az's northern premiere MD units. Much. much more difficult to pattern bucks and know their moves. Area is unique because there isn't that much water available. None the less, the hunts have absolutely changed.. Trail cam ban here is total for all land. I don't miss them.

If you have the work ethic to run lots of cameras your more then capable of puting that same work ethic towards other means of research...again the same guys will be succeful...those who work

The guys not putting in the work will not gain from banning trail cames

 

[Elkangle]

They ban cell cams these guys you’re talking about aren’t “ still knocking down giants” they’re quitting.

Good riddance, they weren’t hunters anyways.

lol speaking from experience i can tell

You could say the reason some areas have the animals they have is do to the quality management trail cams provide...take that away and people go back to killing does and forkers...but thats more fair right ?

 

[Elkangle]

IMO this is more "unsportsmanlike" than party hunting which is illegal in many states. At least with 1 guy and 8 bros stomping around & covering 5 square miles trying to find the tag holder a good animal

zero relation to party hunting...having 9 shooters for 1 tag is not even close to having cameras out

If you want old deer then support being able to manage the land properly...that buck/bull will never get old if hes killed at 2

We need old deer/elk on the landscape not for your wall but for the herd dynamics to be healthy so support quality management

 

[Crowmangler]

zero relation to party hunting...having 9 shooters for 1 tag is not even close to having cameras out

If you want old deer then support being able to manage the land properly...that buck/bull will never get old if hes killed at 2

We need old deer/elk on the landscape not for your wall but for the herd dynamics to be healthy so support quality management

I support quality management 100%. How does having an unfair/ unsportsmanlike advantage from being able to monitor multiple areas in real time achieve that? Is it necessary to know every single deer in an area so you can shoot the biggest one every year? Might as well go to a high fence ranch.

My understanding of the definition of party hunting is having multiple people (who don't have a tag for the species) dispersing around an area to locate an animal for another tag holder who cannot physically be in multiple areas at the same time. There's a reason it's illegal in pretty much every state.
That's EXACTLY what these cameras do. He doesn't even have to be in the woods FFS. He can be in his office 1 mile or 700 miles away and see a buck at a camera, run out to his truck & drive to the spot & kill it. That's exactly what the guy did with the GA buck

Using technology for an advantage can be legal and unethical at the same time.
We can just agree to disagree.

 

[Elkangle]

Party hunting is shooting an animal with another persons tag..some states it still legal i think ? Southeast ? It used to be very common practice not long ago

What you described is just having spotters

With cell cams by the time you get the photo you should have already been there...now if people want to outlaw real time cell cams or put a 24 hour delay on them thats slightly better and would maybe curb the idea of a distaistful practice.

If my neoghbor calls me when he sees a buck and i leave work and go put a stalk in, is that fair chaise ? But if that process is automated then its unethical ?

This entire conversation would have never started if big bucks werent involved. Somthing to think about

 

[Bluefish]

Party hunting in Iowa allows others to fill your tag. Ie if a group of 10 is in the woods, one person from the group can shoot 10 deer and then all 10 tags are filled. Only legal for residents. Also I can’t have your tag on my person. Although I can shoot a deer and have you tag it. I believe it came about due to allowing drives. I think drives came out of requiring shotguns for so long. I personally don’t like the idea of drives, seems like it has a higher chance of unsafe shots.