I think I found my final insulation piece.

[6t4nova]

Not supporting fracking from an ecological standpoint is the only thing that makes sense...clean water and all of that.

So if your water table is at approximately 1000 ft or less and fracks occur at depths up to 10,000 ft, how is the water contaminated?

 

[realunlucky]

I don't hate how you make your money but you have to admit that all new technology have variables that aren't fully understood until there is more long term data

 

[Shrek]

So if your water table is at approximately 1000 ft or less and fracks occur at depths up to 10,000 ft, how is the water contaminated?[ut t/QUOTE]

I drive an old tractor every day and burn hundreds of gallons of diesel a week. I need the fuel as much as anyone but there is an ecological price to be paid. You drill the hole right through the water table and we all know how casings never leak and all. You can check with BP on that. I don't want ban fracing but I do want to be sure we don't ruin our drinking water. Some places might not be suitable for fracing and we don't know how far the chemicals will travel over time. There is a lot of pressure involved to push that mix and it may travel to drinking water supplies thousands of feet above and away from the source. When you read about people who suddenly light their water faucets after a gas well is drilled a couple hundred yards away and the gas driller just shrugs and says that it's not their problem , well, thats what will turn the public against fracing.

 

[Dixie07]

I was reading through this thread yesterday so I wanted to find out for myself if patagonia is truly anti-hunting. I did a search online and came across several threads that led me to believe that they were, but I decided to ask them for myself. Here is the response that I got:

Hello Bryant,

Thank you for your email.

Our company doesn't have an official stance on hunting or firearms. I can tell you that hunting is not a market on which we focus, though our products work well for that kind of activity. Hunters who want to stay warm and dry will find that a lot of our products have cross-over value, especially the Capilene underwear and the SST Jacket. While the idea of hunting is not totally in line with the personal values of most of our employees, the idea of wildlife and wilderness conservation and preservation is integral to the lives of both hunters and Patagoniacs. As an environmentally oriented company, we have supported Ducks Unlimited, and some of our employees do hunt - including our founder.

I hope this helps. If you have further questions or comments, please feel free to contact us again.

All the best!
Ting
Patagonia Customer Service
www.Patagonia.com
1-800-638-6464
Patagonia Customer Service Reps are available for inquiries weekdays from 6am to 6pm, and weekends from 8am to 4pm (PT). Phone orders are accepted 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.


-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 5:54 AM
To: CUSTOMER_SERVICE
Subject: Comments from
Title: Mr
FirstName: Bryant
LastName:
ZipCode:
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As an outdoorsman and hunter, I am wanting to know your company's policy on hunting and firearms. I noticed on your list of sports that hunting was left out. If you could please e-mail me back on your views of these two American traditions, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks.

Bitterroot,
It may be hunter friendly green but Patagonia as a company far from hunter friendly

 

[Dixie07]

One thing I would like to add is that I know for a fact that KUIU, Kifaru, First Lite, and Sitka, just to name a few, are not anti-hunting and I know who I'd rather support.

 

[Ryan Avery]

Sounds like most their money comes from the other side. So their not going to offend the target market.

 

[Biggs300]

I really hesitated to post my reply since, I really don't like it when others jump in with a dozen different suggestions after an OP has made a decision on gear. That said, I will make my apologies now to the OP. I too looked hard at the same Arcteryc jacket and just couldn't pull the trigger due to the price. Guess I'm just cheap. After last year's 2nd rifle season elk hunt in CO, I realized I needed a good mid-layer, due to the wide range on temps I encountered during the days I hunted. I chose a GSX Core Jacket which has similar advertised characteristics with regard to being able to repel wind and rain. I bought the jacket (from Gander Mountain) and I've tried it out in cold, windy conditions and in light rain and it has worked as advertised. It will greatly increase the viability of my Arctic Shield outer layer and will work well on its own down to about 30 degrees and maybe even a bit cooler in active hunting situation. I'll say I did not buy the jacket for the Scent-lok feature, as I am not sure about its effectiveness. Here is a link just in case some may be interested: http://www.gandermountain.com/modpe...ns-Core-Jacket-With-Scent-Lok-Lining&i=617673

 

[dotman]

I would say not all products are the same, a $80 sleeping bag with the same ratings as a $380 bag is not the same thing, with most things you get what you pay for. We all have budgets and it is good we stay within them.

 

[Biggs300]

Dotman, you are absolutely correct so, no argument here. I became a cheapo with regard to hunting clothing after badly ripping a fairly expensive down jacket after just one hunt in South Dakota. I realized early on that I'd rather spend my budget on things like my Kenetrek boots, my Kifaru and Eberlestock backpacks and other hunting/camping gear. And, you are again correct about $'s spent on sleeping bags. My Mountain Hardware Phantom, 0 degree, 800 fill sleeping bag has been one of my better investments. I guess what I was trying to communicate is that with regard to clothing I found a cheaper way to stay warm and dry while hunting.

 

[WonkyWapiti]

Hey Bighouse, I just picked this jacket up today with the hood in bison color and I love it. My buddy and I went to REI in Seattle today and he introduced me to another store, Feathered Friends, across the street. What a cool store with some nice outdoors stuff. Well they had this jacket and I tried it on and loved it.

 

[HvyBeams]

I found the Arcteryx Atom LT @ Alabamaoutdoors.com for $ 119.40. I had to call a store and check availability. They put it online for me. They also have Patagonia Nano Puffs for $119.40. It also appears you will have to call the store directly to see about size/color. That's 40% on both pieces. I thought I would pass it along for fellow roksliders. Pretty darn good prices for new jackets.

 

[Jon Boy]

I love all of my patagonia gear, just wish it wasnt so expensive!! And as that email dictates, they arent anti hunting.

 

[slim9300]

I was reading through this thread yesterday so I wanted to find out for myself if patagonia is truly anti-hunting. I did a search online and came across several threads that led me to believe that they were, but I decided to ask them for myself. Here is the response that I got:

Hello Bryant,

Thank you for your email.

Our company doesn't have an official stance on hunting or firearms. I can tell you that hunting is not a market on which we focus, though our products work well for that kind of activity. Hunters who want to stay warm and dry will find that a lot of our products have cross-over value, especially the Capilene underwear and the SST Jacket. While the idea of hunting is not totally in line with the personal values of most of our employees, the idea of wildlife and wilderness conservation and preservation is integral to the lives of both hunters and Patagoniacs. As an environmentally oriented company, we have supported Ducks Unlimited, and some of our employees do hunt - including our founder.

I hope this helps. If you have further questions or comments, please feel free to contact us again.

All the best!
Ting
Patagonia Customer Service
www.Patagonia.com
1-800-638-6464
Patagonia Customer Service Reps are available for inquiries weekdays from 6am to 6pm, and weekends from 8am to 4pm (PT). Phone orders are accepted 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.


-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 5:54 AM
To: CUSTOMER_SERVICE
Subject: Comments from
Title: Mr
FirstName: Bryant
LastName:
ZipCode:
Country: US
Email Address:
Comments:
As an outdoorsman and hunter, I am wanting to know your company's policy on hunting and firearms. I noticed on your list of sports that hunting was left out. If you could please e-mail me back on your views of these two American traditions, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks.

I classify that response as anti-hunting and anti-firearms. I'll stick with Kuiu, Kifaru, etc.