I cut out all the sugar in my diet...

[djsmith46]

The only way you'll know for sure is to get blood work done before you make one change in variables. I.E., you take out sugar and keep all else the same. Then check your blood work again. But I promise you one thing. 10 years from now (probably sooner) the Dr.oz types of the world and the majority of the diet community will have completely changed their tune regarding their collective stance on fats.

As far as performance on a "no sugar" diet......you'll be fine. Yams, sweet potatoes, squash, hell even nuts have carbs in them. Now if you cut out the nuts, yams etc now you're talking about what I've been doing for the past few months. The weight loss is tremendous on a "no/very low" carb diet but my performance leaves something to be desired. Like Eagle said above, once I get down to where I want to be I will cycle back in some more carbs and cut down a tad on the fats. If you do decide to essentially cut out carbs, make sure you increase your fat intake and prepare to lose weight. Hope this helps.

 

[Take-a-knee]

Cholesterol has a lot more to do with your genetics than diet or lifestyle.

True as far as it goes. Genes don't determine all. Environment, in this case, lifestyle/diet, greatly affects gene EXPRESSION, which is what really matters. Like I said earlier, clinicians are finally figuring out that your HDL ("good cholesterol") to triglyceride ratio is more predictive of both diabetes and heart disease than total cholesterol.

 

[Take-a-knee]

Like Eagle said above, once I get down to where I want to be I will cycle back in some more carbs and cut down a tad on the fats. If you do decide to essentially cut out carbs, make sure you increase your fat intake and prepare to lose weight. Hope this helps.

WHEN you consume a carb-fest is all important. After a workout, when you've depleted glycogen stores, eating a non-Zone high carb meal won't jack up your insulin level, the carbs go mostly right to the muscle tissue and liver to replace glycogen.

 

[jmez]

And if you are gentically predsiposed doesn't matter what you do, eventually the genes will EXPRESS themselves and you'll end up on the wrong end of the equation. You can suppress and prolong the inevitable but you'll never prevent it.

 

[mohawk32]

A Zone Diet debate? What the hell year did I time travel back to?

 

[djsmith46]

@ Take a knee

I feel like a lot gets lost in translation/communication with you as I read through this thread. Most of us understand that post workout carbs are encouraged by most dietitians etc. However, I was speaking of essentially a ketogenic diet where typically the short term goal is weight loss and normalization of insulin.

I understand you're excited about Greg Glassman, Mark Rippetoe, Zone, Dr. Sears and Robb Wolf, or anyone associated past or present with Crossfit. This is all fine. But I feel if you read through some of our posts more carefully before you type your response it would benefit the dialogue greatly. It's not that you are incorrect or putting out bad information (except zone is calorie counting by it's very nature meaning to be in the "zone" you have to know what percentage of your calories fit into that specific macro nutrient), its that it seems if you don't see someone regurgitating the same exact dogma you subscribe to you will jump at the chance at correcting our responses.

It's classic kool-aid drinking. This video describes my thoughts. Not trying to be harsh I'm just calling it like it is,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrGcaf2DOWM

 

[Take-a-knee]

I understand you're excited about Greg Glassman, Mark Rippetoe, Zone, Dr. Sears and Robb Wolf, or anyone associated past or present with Crossfit. This is all fine. But I feel if you read through some of our posts more carefully before you type your response it would benefit the dialogue greatly. It's not that you are incorrect or putting out bad information (except zone is calorie counting by it's very nature meaning to be in the "zone" you have to know what percentage of your calories fit into that specific macro nutrient), its that it seems if you don't see someone regurgitating the same exact dogma you subscribe to you will jump at the chance at correcting our responses.
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Only when you're wrong. For the record, Twight and Glassman haven't talked (or agreed on much) in years. Rip is totally FOS on diet (that's why he doesn't talk about it much) Robb Wolf thinks the Zone is BS.

While all the folks above may not agree on everything, they are so far ahead of everyone else on their areas of expertise only a fool discounts their advice. Call it "koolaid" if you wish. The Beyond the Whiteboard Project will vindicate/prove 99% of everything Glassman has ever asserted as fact. Time will tell.

 

[Browtine]

I haven't had a good dose of T-A-K since I left 24hourcampfire. Looks like you migrated over here. Great....

 

[Eagle]

Only when you're wrong. For the record, Twight and Glassman haven't talked (or agreed on much) in years. Rip is totally FOS on diet (that's why he doesn't talk about it much) Robb Wolf thinks the Zone is BS.

While all the folks above may not agree on everything, they are so far ahead of everyone else on their areas of expertise only a fool discounts their advice. Call it "koolaid" if you wish. The Beyond the Whiteboard Project will vindicate/prove 99% of everything Glassman has ever asserted as fact. Time will tell.

Think critically, I don't really know what other advice to offer here. djsmith46 put into words what I could not, and you circled right back to "glassman is a god" when in fact he's a drunk that doesn't even follow his own "advice". For what you described as your workout routine, I'm sure the "paleo" diet will work fine, just be careful with crossfit and act sensibly when it comes to how hard you push and how much "kipping" you do.

 

[William Hanson (live2hunt)]

TAK is definitely an abrasive element for sure

 

[jmez]

I'm sure PubMed would be interested in the reams of proof. As of yet all this proof seems to have escaped the peer review process and been mired in anecdote.

 

[jmez]

The Beyond the Whiteboard Project will vindicate/prove 99% of everything Glassman has ever asserted as fact. Time will tell.

Are you talking about the WOD app or something different? Relying on a for profit app/program that allows people to enter anything they wish as far as results with no oversight is almost as accurate as a message board poll.

 

[Poser]

I did the strict Paleo thing for awhile. I got as lean as I've ever been since I was a rock climbing bum in my mid 20s and weighed 150-155.
The problem I ran into was my strength gains stagnated and energy lacked for both peak intensity workouts and the longer, "70-80%" workouts (Invictus type WODs). Energy levels for day to day activity was great with no crashing or up and downs. In the end, I found I had to add carbs back into my diet for athletic performance. I eat a lot of sweet potatoes and do giant bowls of steel cut oats on the weekends. Since I've done that, I have thickened up quite a bit, about 20 pounds, gotten a lot stronger and have better energy for peak times. Since I found that works better for me, I've been experimenting more and more with adding more carbs into my diet.

 

[Take-a-knee]

Are you talking about the WOD app or something different? Relying on a for profit app/program that allows people to enter anything they wish as far as results with no oversight is almost as accurate as a message board poll.

Crossfit HQ is doing a longitudinal study (think Framingham Heart) using the data from Beyond the Whiteboard to track a variety of health parameters and eventually, longevity. He's putting his money where his mouth is.

 

[Take-a-knee]

I'm sure PubMed would be interested in the reams of proof. As of yet all this proof seems to have escaped the peer review process and been mired in anecdote.

The same "PubMed" folks who formerly assured us that a high-carb diet would solve the obesity epidemic? Also, the same crew who gave us the Astra-Zeneca funded JUPITER trial?

 

[William Hanson (live2hunt)]

Crossfit HQ is doing a longitudinal study (think Framingham Heart) using the data from Beyond the Whiteboard to track a variety of health parameters and eventually, longevity. He's putting his money where his mouth is.

So cf HQ is using their app to collect data input by the cf user to use to prove their methods are the best? You can't see how this could ever be inaccurate?

On a side note, why do you feel it necessary to so vehemently defend your OPINIONS? Even if you are right, the way you venomously attack anyone who disagrees reeks of cult mentality. Your abrasiveness is grating and counter productive to the general Rokslide morale.

 

[realunlucky]

Even if you are right, the way you venomously attack anyone who disagrees reeks of cult mentality. Your abrasiveness is grating and counter productive to the general Rokslide morale.

X2 time and place for everything and rokslide is neither for those types of replies

 

[jmez]

Crossfit HQ is doing a longitudinal study (think Framingham Heart) using the data from Beyond the Whiteboard to track a variety of health parameters and eventually, longevity. He's putting his money where his mouth is.

That is not a study and no one is putting their money where their mouth is. It is useless data.

 

[jmez]

The same "PubMed" folks who formerly assured us that a high-carb diet would solve the obesity epidemic? Also, the same crew who gave us the Astra-Zeneca funded JUPITER trial?

Actually that is a very good example. As the Pub Med crowd follows the scientific method and peer review. Over time, that method, IMO, is the best at finding the truth. Many, many things are disproven and most don't stand up to the scrutiny, thats why a lot of folks don't agree. It is pretty good at disproving their biases.

 

[Ironman8]

WHEN you consume a carb-fest is all important. After a workout, when you've depleted glycogen stores, eating a non-Zone high carb meal won't jack up your insulin level, the carbs go mostly right to the muscle tissue and liver to replace glycogen.

By "jack up" do you mean "mess up" or "raise" our insulin levels?