How to end NR Wyoming wilderness ban?

[MountainTracker]

I love this argument so much. Its as if no other wilderness areas in the West are steep, rugged and experience wild weather swings. Its also hilarious that you can go backcountry skiing and climbing in Wyoming wilderness areas, literally the most dangerous backcountry pursuit there are, without a guide.

Don’t forget you can hiking into those wilderness areas and fish too, seems pretty scary.


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[ThorM465]

Op you have pretty stupid reasoning there. We live in wyoming to hunt our $47 elk tags in our wilderness area. Im not driving 8 hours to pay a fortune for tags to hunt in a more populated area.

The law is an excellent one. Ive seen all sorts of nonsense from out of state hunters. Between driving across private ranches to getting lost in an area that is no where near a wilderness area. The issue with wilderness areas is deeper than lack of roads. They are steep rugged, and have constantly changing bad weather. Last weekend i was hunting near the savage run wilderness area. 54 degrees at 10 am. 2 pm it started sleeting. By 4 pm it was 29 degrees with sleet, hail, and wet snow. Then fog added to the mix. Continued for 2 days then back to 50 degrees and sunny.

Let's be explicitly clear on one thing boss. The wilderness is not the property of Wyomians, it's federal land and as such every American has equal claim to it. Wyoming is allowed to regulate it as a privilege. If you're going to be a bad actor, the privilege should be recanted.

 

[huntsd]

Op you have pretty stupid reasoning there. We live in wyoming to hunt our $47 elk tags in our wilderness area. Im not driving 8 hours to pay a fortune for tags to hunt in a more populated area.

The law is an excellent one. Ive seen all sorts of nonsense from out of state hunters. Between driving across private ranches to getting lost in an area that is no where near a wilderness area. The issue with wilderness areas is deeper than lack of roads. They are steep rugged, and have constantly changing bad weather. Last weekend i was hunting near the savage run wilderness area. 54 degrees at 10 am. 2 pm it started sleeting. By 4 pm it was 29 degrees with sleet, hail, and wet snow. Then fog added to the mix. Continued for 2 days then back to 50 degrees and sunny.

Ignoring the fact that that is not how wilderness areas are determined. You are saying a Wyo resident who may hunt one weekend per year is more qualified to be in difficult terrain/backcounty than many of us NR who spend more than a month per year in the field? I’m not a betting man but I’m guessing the NR who pays the insane out of state fees and spends there time coming to the state is just as qualified as any RES

 

[huntsd]

Don’t forget you can hiking into those wilderness areas and fish too, seems pretty scary.


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Hahahaha yup. Guess us non res are skilled enough to hike 5 miles into wilderness to fish but not skilled enough to hunt in the same spot. The wilderness law is so dumb

 

[Dos Perros]

On the road to Cooke City there is Wilderness 50 yards off the highway. It's pretty gentle terrain too.

 

[Jason Snyder]

The issue with wilderness areas is deeper than lack of roads. They are steep rugged, and have constantly changing bad weather. Last weekend i was hunting near the savage run wilderness area. 54 degrees at 10 am. 2 pm it started sleeting. By 4 pm it was 29 degrees with sleet, hail, and wet snow. Then fog added to the mix. Continued for 2 days then back to 50 degrees and sunny.

Oh please. Don’t justify the law with this nonsense.

 

[MountainTracker]

Hahahaha yup. Guess us non res are skilled enough to hike 5 miles into wilderness to fish but not skilled enough to hunt in the same spot. The wilderness law is so dumb

Yep it’s like having a guide makes the mountains less steep, the weather less unpredictable, and the water well less wet

Honestly just call it what it is, the commercialization of hunting. Or say hey WY has decided to have areas that are for use of the residents, but if a non res wants to hunt there we are happy to allow that but we require them to use guides. Those reasons I can understand. Not try and sell some story about how much harder it is, that excuse is quite possibly the lowest IQ answer to give and even more so to believe people will buy that.

There’s probably no way to know this but it would be interesting to know how many of the outfits that guide in the WY wilderness are themselves non res.

To be clear I have no issue with someone using a guide if they choose.


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[Wyoming300]

If that was the real reasoning behind the NR wilderness rule NR wouldn't be allowed to fish, hunt small game, or hike without a guide either. It's simply outfitter welfare.

Us residents who live nearby and are there several times a month for the 5 months it is accessable year after year for the decades we have lived here, understand the ways through, the exceptionally unaccessible terrain, the many miles needed to access roads or help, and the constantly changing weather in Wyoming. Having some unprepared back packers who are not from the area get 15 miles in to find out it will be below freezing at night in september is not a great introduction to the state for visitors.

 

[huntsd]

Us residents who live nearby and are there several times a month for the 5 months it is accessable year after year for the decades we have lived here, understand the ways through, the exceptionally unaccessible terrain, the many miles needed to access roads or help, and the constantly changing weather in Wyoming. Having some unprepared back packers who are not from the area get 15 miles in to find out it will be below freezing at night in september is not a great introduction to the state for visitors.

You are right a hunter doing this could freeze to death but a fisherman or hiker would be safe!

 

[Wyoming300]

Yep it’s like having a guide makes the mountains less steep, the weather less unpredictable, and the water well less wet

Honestly just call it what it is, the commercialization of hunting. Or say hey WY has decided to have areas that are for use of the residents, but if a non res wants to hunt there we are happy to allow that but we require them to use guides. Those reasons I can understand. Not try and sell some story about how much harder it is, that excuse is quite possibly the lowest IQ answer to give and even more so to believe people will buy that.

There’s probably no way to know this but it would be interesting to know how many of the outfits that guide in the WY wilderness are themselves non res.

To be clear I have no issue with someone using a guide if they choose.


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Another weird wyoming hunting law is guides have to be residents. Funny how that works, isnt it?

Honestly, accessibility for non residents in wyoming will soon be a non issue. Game and fish is working on another steep increase in out of state tag prices that will put out of state wyoming hunting out of the reach of most us citizens. Us residents are all fine with that after seeing our lands trashed by people from other places who do not understand or respect wyoming.

 

[Macintosh]

@wyo300 thats simply bs. Ak, wa, or, ca, id, nv, az, mt, co, NM and other states have wilderness areas with the exact same issues, and none of them baby non-residents the way wy does. Plus, if this were the actual rationale, then those other activities would be similarly regulated. Stop fooling yourself, its ridiculous.

 

[Wyoming300]

@wyo300 thats simply bs. Ak, wa, or, ca, id, nv, az, mt, co, NM and other states have wilderness areas with the exact same issues, and none of them baby non-residents the way wy does. Plus, if this were the actual rationale, then those other activities would be similarly regulated. Stop fooling yourself, its ridiculous.

You got me. We simply dont want out of state hunters. Stay home. Shouldnt be an issue. Sounds like CA is a better fit for your hunting anyways.

 

[UpNorth89]

Us residents who live nearby and are there several times a month for the 5 months it is accessable year after year for the decades we have lived here, understand the ways through, the exceptionally unaccessible terrain, the many miles needed to access roads or help, and the constantly changing weather in Wyoming. Having some unprepared back packers who are not from the area get 15 miles in to find out it will be below freezing at night in september is not a great introduction to the state for visitors.

You obviously don't understand the point. Do you believe NR big game hunters are the only ones at risk? Because those are the only people the rule is prejudiced against. Small game hunters, fisherman, and hikers aren't at risk somehow?

 

[Wyoming300]

Let's be explicitly clear on one thing boss. The wilderness is not the property of Wyomians, it's federal land and as such every American has equal claim to it. Wyoming is allowed to regulate it as a privilege. If you're going to be a bad actor, the privilege should be recanted.

Ill make it short.

We dont want out of state hunters. They trash everything and are very rude. Game and fish is about to make tags so expensive you wont be able to afford to shoot a rabbit. So this discussion is a non issue.

 

[UpNorth89]

Us residents are all fine with that after seeing our lands trashed by people from other places who do not understand or respect wyoming.

I've seen plenty of residents trash and litter. I've also seen plent of residents drive on closed roads and not respect the land.

 

[Wyoming300]

You obviously don't understand the point. Do you believe NR big game hunters are the only ones at risk? Because those are the only people the rule is prejudiced against. Small game hunters, fisherman, and hikers aren't at risk somehow?

You obviously don't understand the point. Do you believe NR big game hunters are the only ones at risk? Because those are the only people the rule is prejudiced against. Small game hunters, fisherman, and hikers aren't at risk somehow?

Why are you so bothered about a place you dont even live near?

 

[Macintosh]

Actually @Wyoming300 , YOU are the only one standing up for a nanny-state law to protect people from themselves. Sounds to me like CA would be more up your alley than it would mine.

 

[UpNorth89]

Why are you so bothered about a place you dont even live near?

You apparently don't have a valid answer to my questions. You're acting like NR are the only ones who disrespect land or break rules.

 

[Wyoming300]

Actually @Wyoming300 , YOU are the only one standing up for a nanny-state law to protect people from themselves. Sounds to me like CA would be more up your alley than it would mine.

Doesnt bother me. Im a native.

 

[Wyoming300]

This thread is deffinitely a pop corn moment. Game and fish has been talking for a while to increase out of state elk tags to over 5k. Thankfully its all residents who vote on it.