How to deal with game wardens?

[Rich M]

Law enforcement get a bad wrap bc of a few bad apples. Ever think hunters can get a bad wrap bc of a few bad hunters. A landowner out west may have easily given permission to anyone who may have asked, hunting rights even if asked, but the day he saw trespassers it was “gd hunters, think they own the place” from there on out. What else is there, you ever have a bad day where you just act like an ass to people? ever think about things from the other persons boots? Sure, a game warden or cop can be ass at times, ever think what a cop may have dealt w before coming to your situation? Sure there are some bad cops, but the % is low. Sure there are some asshole hunters, I bet the % is low. I’m sure there are some illegal guides setting poaching camps that give guiding a bad name. Not all guides are bad. At the end of the day, if you’re in the right, the warden or cop just has a job to do. If your wrong yiur wrong, sure there is discretion a lot of times, but that’s like a tip, don’t expect it.

Law enforcement gets a be rap cause of how 1/2 of them treat people.

Say that 3 times and understand.

1/2 gw are good conscionable folks. 1/2 are dicks. Which one you gonna get?

 

[thinhorn_AK]

Fricking wardens harassing the general public still, we need to rid of them

https://rokslide.com/forums/threads...-over-trophy-deer-lion-and-wolf-cases.419154/

Unfortunately it is part of the human condition, and LEOs are not immune to it. I'm confident the LEOs and wardens who visit this site are aware of at least some bad apples in the ranks.

That being said there are also many very good human beings who work in law enforcement of all types, and I'm grateful for them.

I’m not just talking about law enforcement, corruption is rampant at all levels of state game agencies. I’ve seen first hand people who show up with good intentions only to use the system for their own benefit.

 

[thinhorn_AK]

1/2? Pretty bold statement. Thsts a lot. Is it true half of them are? That’s crazy.

My good buddy is a cop and he says it’s shocking how many things don’t really make it into evidence, bags of weed etc. he also told me that resources to find information about people is often abused.

As far as fish and game agencies, it’s fairly common for things to use reported data and flight time to find animals on their own trips.

 

[North of 60]

The problem is…when doctors, teachers, and/or LE don’t call out fellow “bad apples” of their professions. Trying to protect the image of the system instead of the integrity of it…(see the general counsel’s statement in SC)

This takes much courage...in part because of the many risks involved (professional and otherwise) in being a whistleblower on a fellow professional.

IME there is much truth to systems of various kinds having leadership whose first instinct is to protect the image of that particular system.

My good buddy is a cop and he says it’s shocking how many things don’t really make it into evidence, bags of weed etc. he also told me that resources to find information about people is often abused.

As far as fish and game agencies, it’s fairly common for things to use reported data and flight time to find animals on their own trips.

Generally speaking evidence is probably the most safe once it reaches a crime lab, because the lab is then involved in chain of custody.

 

[thinhorn_AK]

This takes much courage...in part because of the many risks involved (professional and otherwise) in being a whistleblower on a fellow professional.

IME there is much truth to systems of various kinds having leadership whose first instinct is to protect the image of that particular system.


Generally speaking evidence is probably the most safe once it reaches a crime lab, because the lab is then involved in chain of custody.

Yeah it would take a pretty bold cop to be taking stuff from the lab/evidence room. Lots of “small things” don’t make it there at all but though.

 

[7mm-08]

Unfortunately it is part of the human condition, and LEOs are not immune to it. I'm confident the LEOs and wardens who visit this site are aware of at least some bad apples in the ranks.

That being said there are also many very good human beings who work in law enforcement of all types, and I'm grateful for them.

Well said. Be respectful and reciprocal in your treatment of all others, and especially law enforcement officer (because they can make your life miserable). Don't mistake cooperation with relinquishing your 4th, 5th and 6th Amendment rights, however.

 

[Zeke6951]

Long post but needed to get the full story.
I had an encounter with a Colorado GW that sorta gave me a bad impression. My son killed a bull 2 days before the end of our hunt. He and I spent the next day processing the meat. We broke down all the muscles and sliced them into steaks. Proof of sex was left on a piece of meat that was probably 2 1/2 inches thick. It came off the mountain on a whole rear quarter. All the meat was put in zip lock bags and put on ice. Next day we were fishing at a nearby lake. A game warden pulls up to check fishing liscense. When he got to my son's liscense he noticed he had killed a bull. The first thing out of his mouth was POS left naturally attached to a major portion of the meat? I said, not to a major portion but to the biggest piece. Explained we had processed it in camp. He ranted for a while about how it had to be left on a quarter until processed for consumption. IT IS PROCESSED FOR CONSUMPTION !! Instead of harassing a hunter for not leaving the bulls pecker on a big enough piece of meat, why are you not out in the woods writing tickets for all the ATVs off trail. I had called CPW twice about the problem in the week prior. We saw worn out ATV trails across meadows in Wilderness Areas. They were easily seen from a forest service road. We saw beaver dams that looked like a motor cross race had taken place in them in WA. The last thing he said was I never should have stopped, I knew you had fishing liscense. I think it was easy and he didn't have to get too far from his truck.

 

[BBob]

Good luck. He doesn’t need permission

Yes he does if there’s no probable cause. There was no probable cause because we weren’t and didn’t do anything he could justify it for. When I told him no he just carried on with his questions and when satisfied he was on his way. Btw this is AZ and mby your state is different but here a fish and game officer needs probable cause for a search just like the regular popo does.

 

[KenLee]

Yeah it would take a pretty bold cop to be taking stuff from the lab/evidence room. Lots of “small things” don’t make it there at all but though.

County Clerk of Court wanted to buy a personal airplane with proceeds from stolen evidence.

Prison Sentence Reduced For Former Clerk Of Court

A judge reduced the prison sentence on Tuesday for former Spartanburg County Clerk of Court Marc Kitchens.

www.wyff4.com

 

[4cMuley]

When my buddies and I were around 16/17 we were out pheasant hunting opening weekend ND. We ended up 1 shy of our limit between the 3 of us, 8 birds total. Headed back to town we hit a “game” checkpoint. DEA and Border Patrol were there too. Figure they must’ve been working a lead or something. It was sort of interesting.

They did talk to us separately to ask how many birds each of us shot haha. The last one of my buddies in the line had to do some mental math on the spot lol.

The DEA dude thought he hit a jackpot when he looked at our guns with shells in the magazine tube. Local game warden quickly told him that was legal. Strange experience

 

[Swamp Fox]

The problem is when doctors, teachers, and/or LE don’t call out fellow “bad apples” of their professions. Trying to protect the image of the system instead of the integrity of it…(see the general counsel’s statement in SC)

I don't know where she got her law degree, but her "faith" in the probable cause here is farcical, if not tragic. There was absolutely no probable cause for this stop, and her defense is thin blue line and political crap "twice on Sunday" to use her words.

The video below adds and emphasizes some important context, especially about the night hunting law, the wardens' eagerness/uncertainty about seizing the truck, and the lack of probable cause.

It also includes some verbal zingers to add to the conversation ... : )

 

[thinhorn_AK]

Long post but needed to get the full story.
I had an encounter with a Colorado GW that sorta gave me a bad impression. My son killed a bull 2 days before the end of our hunt. He and I spent the next day processing the meat. We broke down all the muscles and sliced them into steaks. Proof of sex was left on a piece of meat that was probably 2 1/2 inches thick. It came off the mountain on a whole rear quarter. All the meat was put in zip lock bags and put on ice. Next day we were fishing at a nearby lake. A game warden pulls up to check fishing liscense. When he got to my son's liscense he noticed he had killed a bull. The first thing out of his mouth was POS left naturally attached to a major portion of the meat? I said, not to a major portion but to the biggest piece. Explained we had processed it in camp. He ranted for a while about how it had to be left on a quarter until processed for consumption. IT IS PROCESSED FOR CONSUMPTION !! Instead of harassing a hunter for not leaving the bulls pecker on a big enough piece of meat, why are you not out in the woods writing tickets for all the ATVs off trail. I had called CPW twice about the problem in the week prior. We saw worn out ATV trails across meadows in Wilderness Areas. They were easily seen from a forest service road. We saw beaver dams that looked like a motor cross race had taken place in them in WA. The last thing he said was I never should have stopped, I knew you had fishing liscense. I think it was easy and he didn't have to get too far from his truck.

Yeah that’s lame. Andrew years ago me and my buddy got back super late (like 3am) from our moose hunt and hung the meat in my friends garage since we were there. We let it hang for a few days then decided to process it at my place. Loaded the meat in my truck and pulled out (it’s literally a 4 minute drive) game warden going the other direction flipped around and followed us to my house.

Asked to see my hunting license (didn’t have it on me because….I wasn’t hunting. He started ranting about how we can’t transport meat, what??? How I needed my license on me, what? I’d literally hopped in my truck, gone and loaded up the bagged meat and gone home. The kill had been reported online and everything.

He kept going on about how he could take the moose if he wanted to because transporting meat is illegal. And a bunch of other crap. I told him that I’d transported it out of the field and hunted legally, tag was notched, report was filed, it’s my moose. He kept going on about how he could take it, finally after like 20 minutes of back and forth I told him “if you want to take it then do it but I’ll be calling the trooper post in the morning to see if this constitutes as harassment”. He ended up leaving and not taking the moose.

I called the troopers the next day anyways and explained what happened, the game officer I talked to didn’t see any problem with anything I’d done since the report had been filed, I wasn’t hunting and there’s no laws about where you hang or process meat.


In your case I’d argue that since your meat was out of the field, processed etc, you shouldn’t have to leave proof of sex or provide that evidence.