How to deal with game wardens?

[Nickofthewoods]

@mtwarden I always knew you were scum

 

[HvyBeams]

It's setteled law. I suggest you do your research. You are misinforming people with you misinformed opinion.

I would say the 4th Amendment is pretty settled, but post up the case law to prove me wrong.

As far has doing my "research", I sat at the WY Law Enforcement Academy with wardens when they were taught search and seizure to become POST certified, 25+ years of law enforcement experience, trained so many law enforcement officers I lost count, wrote and executed search warrants, and actually searched cars with probable cause. How do you like my research?

 

[mtwarden]

@mtwarden I always knew you were scum

The dozen or so guys involved in these two cases certainly thought so

 

[HilltopHitman]

Idaho resident. I hunt the same units every year. We’re stopped every year. This year it was multiple times. They checked everything. They were weird about giving information but questioned everything. They are now using dogs in Idaho along highway checkpoints. We showed our tags, licenses, game and everything.

They ask a lot of questions about how much game you saw, where and etc. I will not not being answering those questions. It’s becoming a common occurrence of crossing the line between law enforcement and personal gain in my opinion.

I hunt a very popular unit.

 

[Billy Goat]

The dozen or so guys involved in these two cases certainly thought so

Good thing that's previous to social media.

Might get sued for posting anything about it if it was current.

 

[Dos XX]

I just out run them. Problem solved.

 

[Billy Goat]

I just out run them. Problem solved.

I can't run.

But I have no problem with heights.

 

[Ucsdryder]

The dozen or so guys involved in these two cases certainly thought so

Who the hell would mount a poached doe antelope?

 

[Billy Goat]

Who the hell would mount a poached doe antelope?

West Va, enough said.

 

[tony]

We have antelope!?
Holy

 

[7mm-08]

I handle them like mods.


Admit nothing, deny everything, and make counter accusations.

This is funny! Thanks for the levity.

 

[Billy Goat]

We have antelope!?
Holy

Technically, no where in NA has antelope, native.

The WVa joke surrounds anything gets mounted. Bucks, Does, Sheep, Cousins, etc...

 

[Q_Sertorius]

Technically, no where in NA has antelope, native.

The WVa joke surrounds anything gets mounted. Bucks, Does, Sheep, Cousins, etc...

Greatest West Virginia invention? Velcro gloves.

 

[Bubblehide]

I would say the 4th Amendment is pretty settled, but post up the case law to prove me wrong.

As far has doing my "research", I sat at the WY Law Enforcement Academy with wardens when they were taught search and seizure to become POST certified, 25+ years of law enforcement experience, trained so many law enforcement officers I lost count, wrote and executed search warrants, and actually searched cars with probable cause. How do you like my research?

And to think, I was going to say pretty close to the same thing, except for supporting my facts. Who wudda guessed that such programs teach opposite things. Like I said, cops, sherrifs and state police are taught criminal law, not wildlife law. Cops, sheriff and state police do not enforce wildlife law. He'll, they can't even demand to see a hunting license. But hey, you know it all, so I don't even know why I'm trying, but maybe @mtwarden will chime in, if you'll take his word for it.

 

[TheTone]

And to think, I was going to say pretty close to the same thing, except for supporting my facts. Who wudda guessed that such programs teach opposite things. Like I said, cops, sherrifs and state police are taught criminal law, not wildlife law. Cops, sheriff and state police do not enforce wildlife law. He'll, they can't even demand to see a hunting license. But hey, you know it all, so I don't even know why I'm trying, but maybe @mtwarden will chime in, if you'll take his word for it.

If having a hunting license is a state law why couldn’t a sheriff or state police officer ask to see it, they enforce state law…

 

[Bubblehide]

If having a hunting license is a state law why couldn’t a sheriff or state police officer ask to see it, they enforce state law…

I did not say they could not ask, I said they cannot demand; it is outside the scope of their enforcement.

The allowance for Wildlife officers fall into the category of an administrative search, permitted by law. The Patroit act is simular, but very different, and can apply to all law enforcement.

 

[Ucsdryder]

West Va, enough said.

97% of RS missed this joke.

 

[MeatMissile]

If having a hunting license is a state law why couldn’t a sheriff or state police officer ask to see it, they enforce state law…

It depends on whether the state uses special commissions. Usually its for licensed activities that have regulations. Having the license requires the holder to submit to regulatory inspections. Since having the license is voluntary, the 4th amendment doesn’t apply.

For instance, my state has a gambling commission to investigate and enforce violations of state gambling law. We also have a Liquor/Cannabis commission that enforces laws governing the sale of those products. Fish and Wildlife Officers, though they often possess a general commission, also have special enforcement duties relating to fish and game regulations.

 

[Bubblehide]

It depends on whether the state uses special commissions. Usually its for licensed activities that have regulations. Having the license requires the holder to submit to regulatory inspections. Since having the license is voluntary, the 4th amendment doesn’t apply.

For instance, my state has a gambling commission to investigate and enforce violations of state gambling law. We also have a Liquor/Cannabis commission that enforces laws governing the sale of those products. Fish and Wildlife Officers, though they often possess a general commission, also have special enforcement duties relating to fish and game regulations.

You are correct, the law varies from state to state. However, if Wardens are cross certified with U.S Fish and wildlife, they can enforce federal law, and make the search under federal law. In such cases, the state law would be moot, as the criminal would not be charged with state crimes.

The open lands doctrine is another example, although recently diminished in its scope, it still stands.

 

[Bubblehide]

If having a hunting license is a state law why couldn’t a sheriff or state police officer ask to see it, they enforce state law…

Do police officers enforce building code (those codes are laws), Education code...? No they do not, those fall outside the scope of their authority. Any authority, has limitations that keep them in their lane.