How much higher wil a .270 shoot@12,000 feet????

[LongWayAround]

Vortex and others probably have issues with tracking, stop dialing and wearing out the guts of the system, my vortex has held up for years, but I’ve only touched the turrets once when I sighted in my Remington 788.
I am a Burris and leopold guy, no turrets to wear out

Should one also not shoot their rifle to avoid "wearing out the guts?"

(Which sounds ridiculous by the way.)

 

[2-Stix]

When you get out past 300 the "shifting zero" is an issue.

 

[bpa556]

I dont care if the shot will be 300 or 800...who uses a Vortex scope on a high dollar or OIL hunt? A fail scope isnt hitting anything at any range......and vortex has a high scope failure rate as compared to many others. Nice to have that backup rifle, but once you miss a few times with that unbeknownst failed vortex scope that backup rifle might as well be a brick because that ram will be in the next county. You may not even see another ram after that. A Vortex? Seriously? Might as well mount your 1975 Bushnell Banner 3x9, at least you would look the part with that pre-64.

What a condescending load of drivel this post is.

Humans have killed bighorn sheep since we traipsed onto this continent from Asia. With rocks and sticks for the first 10,000 years or so. Then with smoothbore muskets, then with large, slow rifled cartridges. None of which carried optics.

His Vortex scope is very low on the list of things that may result him eating a bowl of tag-soup.

$3,500 scopes on $6,000 rifles are not the answer to killing sheep. Time, patience and self control (and a LOT of money these days) kill sheep. They’re not mythical creatures. Folks that shoot sheep past 400 or so yards do so out of pride or desperation, not necessity.


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[Kurts86]

What a condescending load of drivel this post is.

Humans have killed bighorn sheep since we traipsed onto this continent from Asia. With rocks and sticks for the first 10,000 years or so. Then with smoothbore muskets, then with large, slow rifled cartridges. None of which carried optics.

His Vortex scope is very low on the list of things that may result him eating a bowl of tag-soup.

$3,500 scopes on $6,000 rifles are not the answer to killing sheep. Time, patience and self control (and a LOT of money these days) kill sheep. They’re not mythical creatures. Folks that shoot sheep past 400 or so yards do so out of pride or desperation, not necessity.


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I think the question is more like why roll into a OIL hunt where you already have spent $11k where your gear weak link is a $350 scope. This isn’t a question about subsistence hunting but about rather reducing liabilities someone can control in the Super Bowl moment of one’s hunting experiences.

Buying a $900 Nightforce SHV 3-9x40 MOAR ups the trip cost by 8% and offsets a high liability, fragile part of the equation.

When you show up to a guided hunt the only 2 things you directly contribute are how fit you are and your shooting skills/capabilities. The guided hunter should do everything in their power to maximize those things IMO.

 

[svivian]

I think the question is more like why roll into a OIL hunt where you already have spent $11k where your gear weak link is a $350 scope. This isn’t a question about subsistence hunting but about rather reducing liabilities someone can control in the Super Bowl moment of one’s hunting experiences.

Buying a $900 Nightforce SHV 3-9x40 MOAR ups the trip cost by 8% and offsets a high liability, fragile part of the equation.

When you show up to a guided hunt the only 2 things you directly contribute are how fit you are and your shooting skills/capabilities. The guided hunter should do everything in their power to maximize those things IMO.

you should work a gun counter... guys will roll in and drop $1k-$2k on a new rifle and then slap on a $200-$300 scope because they forgot to budget for it and want to shoot it now.

Archery counter is even worst, guys waltz in a week before season to buy a new bow to go elk hunting in CO.....

 

[Deleted member 8-15-23]

Amazing info. I will not shoot past 300 yards, no need, plenty of rams. My dad has 2 slams, 35 book animals and all shot with a 1960 2x7 leupold on his stock supergrade. Now, it takes 5k for a trick custom rifle? This is why I bowhunt and yes, my bow setup is $2500 retail. I watch gunwerks TV, they could close the distance by a hunting stalk vs. Dumping the animal@1200 yds. That's hunting? My back up will be my 65 year model 70. And i thought anal bowhunters were fanatics. Ha.Not concerned at all.

 

[Kurts86]

Amazing info. I will not shoot past 300 yards, no need, plenty of rams. My dad has 2 slams, 35 book animals and all shot with a 1960 2x7 leupold on his stock supergrade. Now, it takes 5k for a trick custom rifle? This is why I bowhunt and yes, my bow setup is $2500 retail. I watch gunwerks TV, they could close the distance by a hunting stalk vs. Dumping the animal@1200 yds. That's hunting? My back up will be my 65 year model 70. Not concerned at all.

To be fair that rifle and optic was probably state of the art for its time. It certainly wasn’t a bargain setup for its time. It wasn’t like he bought the best gear from 1897 in 1960 which is the same as what you are saying talking about 1960 gear in 2023.

Understanding ballistics and your gear and setting your personal limits for a shot are not opposing thing but rather complimentary things. I often shoot 2-3 times further on steel than I would in a perfect hunting scenario. It informs the inputs for my decision making and pushes my equipment to find its weaknesses much quicker.

 

[fwafwow]

This thread … is amazing.

 

[JjamesIII]

Hardly toxic, but we are really close to actually becoming an informed community. I see a lot of good advice in this thread. Jbm was one of the first recommendations, and a few guys definitely held themselves back.

On the flip side, this guy has one of the most coveted tags in the country and is clueless about basic ballistics.

Maybe instead of time in wait based points systems there should be an exam based system. 100 questions about the unit, species, and weapons platform facts, every correct answer gets you another chance in the lottery. Fail the test and all your entries are withdrawn.

That would be a step in the right direction. Stationed over seas, I found this out- In some countries in Europe you have to pass a proficiency test just to get a hunting license, even a fishing license. I’m not advocating that. But being willfully ignorant of your sport and just cutting a check to the hunters (guides) makes it hard not to be critical. Coming out of the gate stating there’s a crew of men who are following your quarry on the mountain before “your hunt” is why people are opposed to the pay to play guide business.

 

[JjamesIII]

Guys. Not worried about my shooting with my 1956. Model 70, old school set up. Killed critters@500. And I won't shoot beyond 300. My guide said which ram do you want. Heck, if it wasn't the whites, I would bowhunt. Elevation? My ol .270 will do just fine. Don't need all the tricked out crap. Just confuses me. Like bowhunting. All good to 80 yards. I know my personal range and will do this with my supergrade .270, like my grizz. Don't need humidity, elevation, spin, wind drift. My ram will be smoked when I pull the trigger. Not concerned. That's why I bowhunt, all this moa, blah, turns me off. I watch gunners, that take these long range shots. Why? You can't inside 200 yards? All show bs. Again, beyond 400 yards, it's shooting, not hunting. My imo.

If it was actually hunting, you would do it on your own and not have to hire a team of men to follow your quarry and lead you to it. Who’s really doing the hunt, you or your guides? You seriously have no room to chastise people for taking shots beyond 400 yards. “Those who live in glass houses should not cast stones.” imo

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

Amazing info. I will not shoot past 300 yards, no need, plenty of rams. My dad has 2 slams, 35 book animals and all shot with a 1960 2x7 leupold on his stock supergrade. Now, it takes 5k for a trick custom rifle? This is why I bowhunt and yes, my bow setup is $2500 retail. I watch gunwerks TV, they could close the distance by a hunting stalk vs. Dumping the animal@1200 yds. That's hunting? My back up will be my 65 year model 70. And i thought anal bowhunters were fanatics. Ha.Not concerned at all.

You’re getting guided in a 90+% success rate hunt bud. Ever hear the story of the pot and the kettle?

You don’t get to define what “hunting” is, only what it is to you. If being lead around the mountains like a pack mule is your cup of tea then so be it.

This thread is pure entertainment while the grill is hot and I’m drinking a cold beer.

 

[Deleted member 8-15-23]

You’re getting guided in a 90+% success rate hunt bud. Ever hear the story of the pot and the kettle?

You don’t get to define what “hunting” is, only what it is to you. If being lead around the mountains like a pack mule is your cup of tea then so be it.

This thread is pure entertainment while the grill is hot and I’m drinking a cold beer.

Last year, 50%. 1 guy died trying, 2 other diy got beat down. It's 14,000 feet. After 38 years, I will not take any chances on this tag. In 50 years, and we'll over 300 kills,and 120 with a bow, this is my 3rd guided hunt. This tag sells@auction for 300k. And climb a 14k with a daypack, rifle@ any age. Ha my wife and I did the Jmt , that's 50,000 vertical, 240 miles, 22 days.

 

[pugwylde]

And I the only one that pictured a dude standing on top of mountain and shooting straight in the air?

 

[cmahoney]

Last year, 50%. 1 guy died trying, 2 other diy got beat down. It's 14,000 feet. After 38 years, I will not take any chances on this tag. In 50 years, and we'll over 300 kills, this is my 3rd guided hunt. This tag sells@auction for 300k. And climb a 14k with a daypack, rifle@ any age. Ha

You are taking a chance with your poor equipment.


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[fwafwow]

Last year, 50%. 1 guy died trying, 2 other diy got beat down. It's 14,000 feet. After 38 years, I will not take any chances on this tag. In 50 years, and we'll over 300 kills,and 120 with a bow, this is my 3rd guided hunt. This tag sells@auction for 300k. And climb a 14k with a daypack, rifle@ any age. Ha my wife and I did the Jmt , that's 50,000 vertical, 240 miles, 22 days.

Wait. How high is it? 12k, 13k or 14k?

If this is a troll post/thread, you sir, are amazing. But I think it has been a team effort.

 

[cmahoney]

I’m thinking he is F’ing with everyone now.

If you did want to go after the DBH with a bow, there is a killer deal on Amazon for this whole set up right now.

TIDEWE Compound Bow with 315FPS IBO Speed, 0-70 Lbs Draw Weight, 18"-31" Draw Length Hunting Bow for Hunting and Practice https://a.co/d/1gAZlXJ


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[sndmn11]

Amazing info. I will not shoot past 300 yards, no need, plenty of rams. My dad has 2 slams, 35 book animals and all shot with a 1960 2x7 leupold on his stock supergrade. Now, it takes 5k for a trick custom rifle? This is why I bowhunt and yes, my bow setup is $2500 retail. I watch gunwerks TV, they could close the distance by a hunting stalk vs. Dumping the animal@1200 yds. That's hunting? My back up will be my 65 year model 70. And i thought anal bowhunters were fanatics. Ha.Not concerned at all.

How much higher will a 6.5prc shoot at 12000' than a .270win?

 

[cmahoney]

How much higher will a 6.5prc shoot at 12000' than a .270win?

3 sheep hairs above the back


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[sndmn11]

3 sheep hairs above the back


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@fwafwow can you make me a picture message with Arthur at The Bridge Of Death asking if they are African sheep hairs or European sheep hairs.

 

[cmahoney]

No need to get fancy with all those numbers and what not. You have the sheep hairs in your scope, those are your best reference


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