Homeless, How do towns deal with it?

[Nine Banger]

Most working class Americans are closer to being homeless than being wealthy. You’re only one bad decision away.

Some have already made the bad decisions they just deflect how vulnerable they are if something changes.

One of my best friends is homeless. He had it together when we were young and all he had to deal with was childhood trauma. A couple of turd sandwiches later and here we are.

 

[UpNorth89]

The closest town to me built a fancy homeless shelter a few years ago. Per room it cost taxpayers around $200,000. Those staying there are still allowed to bring in their drugs and alcohol. After a few months the whole place was trashed.

 

[Loggerdude]

I live 20 miles from the Castle of the university of Oregon, when it is a problem there for the Olympic trials Phil Night makes deals and ships them to other communities like mine. They build camps with everything one may need then they have dogs then rats and everything else you could imagine. Oh yes and some ngo’s or government theives get paid to set up shelters and showers. Well a bunch of city council members were recently voted out and the gig was over. I’m not sure how much the city paid for ems and others which the tax payers or government GRANTS which is free money that is never paid back. Enough I guess, if you don’t work you don’t eat, hopefully the drugs are slowing down, ngo are getting shut down and hope is in site. MAGA

 

[JJ1179]

You willing to pay for that?

You don’t think you’re(and everyone else) are already paying in some form or fashion? Yeah, we’re all paying. For police services dealing with them repeatedly, by having medical calls, for fixing or repairing public property paid for with local tax dollars, for cleaning up trash and feces left by them… yeah, we’re already paying.

At least they would be in a place being monitored, not on the streets committing crimes or causing problems for residents of said City, and they would be getting meals and the care they need.

Is it a great answer, no! But it beats them being on the streets causing issues for the rest of a functioning society.

 

[Poser]

Most working class Americans are closer to being homeless than being wealthy. You’re only one bad decision away.


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This is very true and it’s not even just a bad decision, it’s one major medical emergency and then boom: you’re all of sudden an assumed drug addict who should be locked up or maybe even executed in public on a Sunday according to some of the commenters.

 

[amassi]

The entire homeless apparatus needs to be defunded and rebuilt with a success metric tied to funding. Get rid of all NGOs, government is generally inefficient but NGOs are criminal in their misuse of funding. Coincidentally they overwhelmingly employ family of politicians but that’s just a coincidence, I’m sure all their kids and wives really have hearts of gold and just want to give back.


End all money laundering schemes and idiotic rules.
IE- many people at risk of being homeless do not qualify for assistance, once they are on the street they can get some money to look for an apartment and money to help with living expenses. It would be much cheaper in most cases to keep them in first living situation as often it’s simply a rent catch up. But that removes too many middle man money launderers and provides stability for the potential homeless people.


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[WeiserBucks]

This is very true and it’s not even just a bad decision, it’s one major medical emergency and then boom: you’re all of sudden an assumed drug addict who should be locked up or maybe even executed in public on a Sunday according to some of the commenters.

Saturday.

 

[Hnthrdr]

Stop calling them “homeless” and call them what they are, drug addicts on the street.

Very fair, don’t get me started but Denver is a giant dumping ground for the country, started on a lot of calls to chat and see if our “homeless” problem was organic to Denver or even Co, I would found out like 97% of the people I talked to were from out of state. Most just showed up, many try to say they are from Denver, but we would ask where they went to high school and then it would be like, oh I’ve been here a year I’m from X state….

 

[Germangarcia]

You think that’s bad. Come to Portland

 

[Bluefish]

Very fair, don’t get me started but Denver is a giant dumping ground for the country, started on a lot of calls to chat and see if our “homeless” problem was organic to Denver or even Co, I would found out like 97% of the people I talked to were from out of state. Most just showed up, many try to say they are from Denver, but we would ask where they went to high school and then it would be like, oh I’ve been here a year I’m from X state….

Based on what I have heard about the COS homeless population, the legalization of pot made a lot move to Colorado. Homeless seem to be quite resourceful and go where they get hassled the least and get the most services.

 

[Coveyleader]

Very fair, don’t get me started but Denver is a giant dumping ground for the country, started on a lot of calls to chat and see if our “homeless” problem was organic to Denver or even Co, I would found out like 97% of the people I talked to were from out of state. Most just showed up, many try to say they are from Denver, but we would ask where they went to high school and then it would be like, oh I’ve been here a year I’m from X state….

Exactly! And why are they here? The state went to shit as soon as they legalized weed here. It brought an element to the state that is still irreversible to this very day.

Do you remember when the mayor of Aurora went on the street as a homeless guy for a week?

His findings……..

“
The encampments, he says, are made-up of hardcore drug users who've formed communities with even unofficial leaders.

"These encampments are not product of the economy or COVID. They're not a product of rental rates or housing. They are part of a drug culture."

They’re flipping drug addicts that need to be dealt with using a heavy hand!

 

[Hnthrdr]

The closest town to me built a fancy homeless shelter a few years ago. Per room it cost taxpayers around $200,000. Those staying there are still allowed to bring in their drugs and alcohol. After a few months the whole place was trashed.

Many such cases.

 

[Poser]

Saturday.

My Bad. No public executions on the Sabbath.

 

[Hnthrdr]

Most working class Americans are closer to being homeless than being wealthy. You’re only one bad decision away.


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Ehhhh I used to think this, but it is likely more than 1 bad decision… most people have a parent or siblings or cousin or friend who would take them in for a while, it’s when you burn through all of that. Also I get it lots of people have had bad/ rough/ awful childhoods or some trauma in their life. That is what life is a collection of experiences, some good some nightmarish. How we respond to those experiences is our choice, it is always our choice in the end.

We collectively would not have a society if we all just decided to sit on the curb and smoke fent / drink cause of something that happened last week or 20 years ago.

in my opinion the number 1# thing these people need is not kid gloves and place to sleep. They need discipline and structure, 2 things that had largely been lacking from their lives which led them to become a ward of the state essentially. And if we will collectively pay for their food, medical, and housing it would serve the greater good to have the programs structured to get clean and get back to being a productive member of society. Very few programs work that way, they exist for self enrichment and so a large portion of society can think I voted for that and I feel less bad when I see the encampments, ahhh I am virtuous

 

[CorbLand]

The entire homeless apparatus needs to be defunded and rebuilt with a success metric tied to funding. Get rid of all NGOs, government is generally inefficient but NGOs are criminal in their misuse of funding. Coincidentally they overwhelmingly employ family of politicians but that’s just a coincidence, I’m sure all their kids and wives really have hearts of gold and just want to give back.


End all money laundering schemes and idiotic rules.
IE- many people at risk of being homeless do not qualify for assistance, once they are on the street they can get some money to look for an apartment and money to help with living expenses. It would be much cheaper in most cases to keep them in first living situation as often it’s simply a rent catch up. But that removes too many middle man money launderers and provides stability for the potential homeless people.


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The problem with tying funding to success is that it does the opposite. It incentivizes doing just enough to show your trying and making headway but not enough to actually solve the problem. You cure the problem, you run out of money. You treat the symptom and you create generational wealth.

You are correct about NGOs being criminal though. 90% of those and any government program is nothing more than a way to funnel money to themselves and/or friends.

 

[Hnthrdr]

Some have already made the bad decisions they just deflect how vulnerable they are if something changes.

One of my best friends is homeless. He had it together when we were young and all he had to deal with was childhood trauma. A couple of turd sandwiches later and here we are

Have you offered to take him in? If so what was the result?

 

[Kauaihunter]

What do towns do with the homeless? Some places CONUS buy them a one way airline ticket to Hawaii.

The homeless here fall into one of these categories or a mix of two or more.

By choice and no other issues, actually have a job and some drive a nice vehicle.

Drug addict.

Alcoholism.

Mental illness.

By far, most are mentally ill or they end up with mental issues over time.

I see new ones when they come in as we are a small community and it’s easy to spot outsiders. Constant influx as it is the perfect environment. Stable weather, rarely gets into the 50’s or over 90 degrees and extremely liberal State. Then there’s locals that get displaced for one reason or another, mostly because they can’t afford housing anymore. My middle daughter bought a house last February, their mortgage is $3,500 a month. My other two daughters split a $3,300 mortgage.

Then there’s all the millionaires and billionaires running away from the crowd and building their Shangri-La. Killing everyone around them.

 

[Idaboy]

Poverty, homelessness.....been around since the dawn of time.....nothing really knew here guys imo. Not sure of a country that has the freedoms we enjoy, so while many flaws in our system, I like it best and not sure I would want to live in the countries that have the lowest homeless rates, but our economic system inevitably leads to issues like this.......We'll see what this looks like 5-10 yrs from now after AI impacts, or doesn't impact, job opportunities. Whether in taxes, or groceries, or doctor fees, or cars, or clothes- we are all paying for it, it's just more in our face when the government imposes direct costs to us.......you don't think we are paying for alcohol and drug abuse in the non-homeless? -alcohol, tobacco, obesity- the price that places in health care as an entirety is ginormous. Follow the money.......Not sure the Mag 7 are solving anything

 

[Reburn]

Ehhhh I used to think this, but it is likely more than 1 bad decision… most people have a parent or siblings or cousin or friend who would take them in for a while, it’s when you burn through all of that. Also I get it lots of people have had bad/ rough/ awful childhoods or some trauma in their life. That is what life is a collection of experiences, some good some nightmarish. How we respond to those experiences is our choice, it is always our choice in the end.

We collectively would not have a society if we all just decided to sit on the curb and smoke fent / drink cause of something that happened last week or 20 years ago.

in my opinion the number 1# thing these people need is not kid gloves and place to sleep. They need discipline and structure, 2 things that had largely been lacking from their lives which led them to become a ward of the state essentially. And if we will collectively pay for their food, medical, and housing it would serve the greater good to have the programs structured to get clean and get back to being a productive member of society. Very few programs work that way, they exist for self enrichment and so a large portion of society can think I voted for that and I feel less bad when I see the encampments, ahhh I am virtuous

Some people just need more help then others.

I dont have solutions. I only know the "solutions" have made the problem worse not better.

So logic says we need to do the opposite of what we have been doing.

 

[Idaboy]

Some people just need more help then others.

I dont have solutions. I only know the "solutions" have made the problem worse not better.

So logic says we need to do the opposite of what we have been doing.

Like when George Costanza did the opposite