Hold on to your GMU 23/26A Shorts boys

[Sourdough]

Give it up. This isn't the place.

Wow.......that is the perfect rebuttal for for someone either to "lazy" or incompetent to formulate a semi-intelligent response on a point by point bases, to what I posted.

Question for you.......If this is primarily a "hunting forum", burn those last two brain cells........explaining why "This isn't the place".

 

[william schmaltz]

Wow.......that is the perfect rebuttal for for someone either to "lazy" or incompetent to formulate a semi-intelligent response on a point by point bases, to what I posted.

Question for you.......If this is primarily a "hunting forum", burn those last two brain cells........explaining why "This isn't the place".

This is a sub forum specifically talking about an issue with access to caribou hunting in NW AK. Yet here you are making the same comment you've made on several other threads about how the way people hunt now isn't good enough for you. It's tiring. This is indeed a hunting forum, and if you have such a problem with how people hunt now days and think it's a major issue that needs addressing then maybe start a topic in the general forum.

You're one of the main reasons the hunting forum within the AK Outdoor Forum has turned to a ghost town the last several years and now here you are with the same combative nonsense. Save your response or feel free to file a hurt feeling report with a DM. I know how this works, now you start calling names and talking about how great of a hunter you were. This is distracting from an important issue.

 

[Cheechako]

I said exactly the opposite of what you just wrote. I acknowledge this issue but point out it does not have baring on closing this to me. Those issue need to be addressed by other means and are not part of this topic.
I am not discounting them or ignoring them as you suggest. It is not a unique problem to rural Alaska. I can go little towns in any state and tell you the same story.
The people of that area have every opportunity and the herd is healthy by the data. Most rural areas in America do not have that so Alaska is unique in providing that resource. I am very privileged to do this but that doesn't make me a bad person. I have worked my ass off as a doctor during COVID and risked my life so don't even go there. To say I need to give my rights up cause i am more privileged is NOT DEMOCRACY. You think it is so cheap here then you are always welcome to come to this state. That is the beauty of America. I moved here from the South and it is ridiculously expensive to me. Guess it is all about perspective.
I could chose to move there and try to make a living. It is my tax money being used as well as yours. The amount we pay should not give more privilege or less. THAT WAS MY POINT! The fact is those making less in my state would never be able to see their land up there. I acknowledge that and point out it is another issue for another venue. We are talking about hunting rights and management of a resource here. My point is sticking to facts relevant to to the issue. If you have data showing I am some kind of problem then OK but don't give me the I am poor card and that is why you as a rich doctor need to give it to me. I can assure you I am not a "Rich Doctor" and work my ass off to do one of these trips every few years if I am lucky.
As you point out about perspective and background, You should take that to heart responding to me for you know nothing about me. You made your judgement based on my title and location. Shame on you!

Hey Paul, I think I misinterpreted what you said. My intention wasn’t to attack you personally. Sorry about that.
I will maintain that Alaska is different from the lower 48 though especially rural Alaska. It often feels more like another country then another state. Every one needs to see that for themselves to appreciate it.

I am just trying to add some nuance to the discussion and point out some of the social problems that are relevant to this discussion and the proposal since it seems it is largely directed at a social problem more then a biological one.

I look forward to hearing everyone’s testimonies next week.

 

[kwackkillncrew]

For context, what's a mortgage payment in Kotzebue look like?

It's pretty expensive in Colorado but doesn't give me the right to claim all of the animals here.

that subject would be really difficult to discuss. mostly because there isnt a clear cut and dry answer and it varies from house to house.

 

[ppumil]

Hey Paul, I think I misinterpreted what you said. My intention wasn’t to attack you personally. Sorry about that.
I will maintain that Alaska is different from the lower 48 though especially rural Alaska. It often feels more like another country then another state. Every one needs to see that for themselves to appreciate it.

I am just trying to add some nuance to the discussion and point out some of the social problems that are relevant to this discussion and the proposal since it seems it is largely directed at a social problem more then a biological one.

I look forward to hearing everyone’s testimonies next week.

Thank you! It is very different and I totally agree there are major issues but those are not valid for removal of rights we all have. I have been to several rural communities and to be frank was shocked.
To have knowledge and understanding is to have power to make a change and I think that is what we can agree on. I am sure we could share a conversation in person and have better understanding. Writing on this type of forum is not ideal to true communication but our modern world has gone away from that.
Thank you for your perspective. I hope everyone who wants to be heard has their chance next week.
Sincerely,
Paul Pumilia, MD

 

[Sourdough]

now here you are with the same combative nonsense.

You should do a quick search on the "concept" of "Forums". It is an open place for people to express their opinion, and for others to rebuttal those opinion if they so choose. All with-in the rules and guidelines of the forum ownership and management.

What you perceive as "combative nonsense".........you identify as such, because you lack the ability to rebuttal my points, and therefore are compelled to attack and do a sloppy job of dismissing me.

I'll make it simple for you........just explain why people who identify themselves as hunters, should be "respected" and "glorified" for having some "other individual" find their desired species in substantial quantity, and placed them into a migrating herd of the desired animals.

A core fundamental part of the problem discussed in this thread, is the commercialization of this specific hunt.......and also the impact that hunting forums have on promoting this specific hunt, and it's near 100% success of harvesting an animal, followed by the thundering applause and glorification of the achievement.

I say "one" partial solution, is to reinstall the fundamental core points of hunting........which have been lost.

 

[Sourdough]

and talking about how great of a hunter you were.

I "Challenge" you to show where on this forum or any forum, I have ever done that. What I have stated many times, and you likely misunderstood, is that long ago (40 and 50+ years ago) we (my hunting partner and myself) would fly into a unknow remote spot, and live and hunt and fish there for four or five or six weeks.

We cherished and wanted to experience the old immersion hunts of long ago. It was not about the goal of successful, the goal was to learn everything about that area, the animals, the vegetation, the rock formations, the river personality, how the animals interacted with each other, and with us. It was "Not" about get in, get it done, and get out.

Now people can't imagine being in the wilderness for five weeks and never see another human other then your hunting partner.

 

[soggybtmboys]

Take this elsewhere it's way off topic.

Sent from my SM-G981U using Tapatalk

 

[Sourdough]

Take this elsewhere it's way off topic.

Sent from my SM-G981U using Tapatalk

And your post is way-way of topic.......at least my post which got you panties in a bunch was a direct response to someone's comment.

 

[Clarktar]

This is a sub forum specifically talking about an issue with access to caribou hunting in NW AK. Yet here you are making the same comment you've made on several other threads about how the way people hunt now isn't good enough for you. It's tiring. This is indeed a hunting forum, and if you have such a problem with how people hunt now days and think it's a major issue that needs addressing then maybe start a topic in the general forum.

You're one of the main reasons the hunting forum within the AK Outdoor Forum has turned to a ghost town the last several years and now here you are with the same combative nonsense. Save your response or feel free to file a hurt feeling report with a DM. I know how this works, now you start calling names and talking about how great of a hunter you were. This is distracting from an important issue.

Same thing that happened several months ago when we had a thread on this very topic on this website. He engaged, I responded, thread started to get side tracked.

Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk

 

[Sourdough]

Same thing that happened several months ago when we had a thread on this very topic on this website. He engaged, I responded, thread started to get side tracked.

Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk

Oh look........another post that is "Off Topic".

 

[bpietila]

I do not understand. That is my point. You have always been markedly higher in price due to your location and that will not change. I pay an incredibly higher percentage in taxes here in WA than you do so should I have more access due to that. IT IS NOT PART OF WILDLIFE MANAGEMENT. This is a social issue that needs to be addressed away from this. We are managing a resource and there is a claim for it being needed as a food source but there is no data collected that is accurate and valid. If you want me to support your need then at least show it to me.
The history showed marked difficulty getting caribou in the past before any hunting pressure was even there.
I have been reading my ass off and see no valid data (I read medical literature for my job here so I do have the knowledge to see if data is valid). The argument to make it easier for those who want to get caribou for subsistence at the expense of my rights. There is no evidence that the planes or the 161 caribou on avg taken each year by hunters like me are any issue. Subsistence harvest takes over 95% of animals harvested (usually over 12,000 taken a year)which also include cows which impact the herd the greatest. This is purely to get me out of your hunting area which by the way I already am due to restrictions already in place. I am sorry the herd is far away but it is not my fault and don't take my rights away on our land.
Once again this illustrates the tactic of distracting from fact to get what you want. Using political hot topics that are really not part of the herd health, numbers, or regulations. I see no data to support the claim for closure and therefore I stand firm for my right to hunt right now.
Sincerely,
Paul Wolff Pumilia, MD

The type of knowledge that you are trying to find can’t be found in a book or a website.
One problem with your argument is that the subsistence working group doesn’t need your support to make the closure happen. If you understand that then you might be able to make a better argument to support your right to hunt.
I don’t support the closure, but I do live in the region. The short term term fix to fight the closures (for non resident hunters) may be to combat them, but I think Larry is on the right track with education and communication.

 

[AKDoc]

Help with two things please:

1. I have back to back patients late through the day on the 17th, so I can't call-in. I did a quick search to find a link to submit written comment, but I didn't find one in my quick search. Anyone have that link handy?
2. I've reached a point that I want to ignore a specific member...it's time for me to do that. I've never activated the "ignore" option previously. I found it, but I'm having operator error trying to get it allow me to enter the member's user name. Any quick tips please?

Thank you guys!

 

[LongWayAround]

Help with two things please:

1. I have back to back patients late through the day on the 17th, so I can't call-in. I did a quick search to find a link to submit written comment, but I didn't find one in my quick search. Anyone have that link handy?
2. I've reached a point that I want to ignore a specific member...it's time for me to do that. I've never activated the "ignore" option previously. I found it, but I'm having operator error trying to get it allow me to enter the member's user name. Any quick tips please?

Thank you guys!

I also have obligations on the 17th that might make me unable to call in. Hopefully there is a written comment opportunity.

To ignore a certain individual, click on their username and the button to ignore should be immediately visible. It's easy to "unignore" them if you decide that you miss the antics.

 

[AKDoc]

...To ignore a certain individual, click on their username and the button to ignore should be immediately visible. It's easy to "unignore" them if you decide that you miss the antics.

Thank you...I also got a helpful PM from a member telling me how to do it. It is now done, and man is it nice...thank you.

 

[Sourdough]

I've reached a point that I want to ignore a specific member...it's time for me to do that. I've never activated the "ignore" option previously. I found it, but I'm having operator error trying to get it allow me to enter the member's user name. Any quick tips please?

People with "Closed" minds who are uncomfortable with any ideas not fully endorsed by those on whom that rely on to tell them what to think.......should put members on ignore. It is standard procedure for socialist communist mentality.

 

[AlaskaMark]

[email protected] is the email addy to send comments, but when you send ask for a reply that your written comments will make it into the record.

 

[AKDoc]

[email protected] is the email addy to send comments, but when you send ask for a reply that your written comments will make it into the record.

Excellent...thank you Mark, and will do.

 

[ppumil]

I "Challenge" you to show where on this forum or any forum, I have ever done that. What I have stated many times, and you likely misunderstood, is that long ago (40 and 50+ years ago) we (my hunting partner and myself) would fly into a unknow remote spot, and live and hunt and fish there for four or five or six weeks.

We cherished and wanted to experience the old immersion hunts of long ago. It was not about the goal of successful, the goal was to learn everything about that area, the animals, the vegetation, the rock formations, the river personality, how the animals interacted with each other, and with us. It was "Not" about get in, get it done, and get out.

Now people can't imagine being in the wilderness for five weeks and never see another human other then your hunting partne

You should do a quick search on the "concept" of "Forums". It is an open place for people to express their opinion, and for others to rebuttal those opinion if they so choose. All with-in the rules and guidelines of the forum ownership and management.

What you perceive as "combative nonsense".........you identify as such, because you lack the ability to rebuttal my points, and therefore are compelled to attack and do a sloppy job of dismissing me.

I'll make it simple for you........just explain why people who identify themselves as hunters, should be "respected" and "glorified" for having some "other individual" find their desired species in substantial quantity, and placed them into a migrating herd of the desired animals.

A core fundamental part of the problem discussed in this thread, is the commercialization of this specific hunt.......and also the impact that hunting forums have on promoting this specific hunt, and it's near 100% success of harvesting an animal, followed by the thundering applause and glorification of the achievement.

I say "one" partial solution, is to reinstall the fundamental core points of hunting........which have been lost.

Help with two things please:

1. I have back to back patients late through the day on the 17th, so I can't call-in. I did a quick search to find a link to submit written comment, but I didn't find one in my quick search. Anyone have that link handy?
2. I've reached a point that I want to ignore a specific member...it's time for me to do that. I've never activated the "ignore" option previously. I found it, but I'm having operator error trying to get it allow me to enter the member's user name. Any quick tips please?

Thank you guys!

But.......someone else went out and found the game FOR you, you did not Hunt the game, you did not "scout" the area, someone else scouted for you, hunted for you. You simply killed an animal someone else did the hunting part.

Where is the "sport" in having someone land you in the middle of a migrating herd of Caribou.

I am unclear what we should call this experience. Seems far removed from the classic concept of "hunting".

I am 75 y/o and have been hunting for 68 of those years, 52 of those years Alaska resident hunter, and retired hunting guide. I know what I consider hunting. Now this is just my opinion, but when I open the cabin window or door, and shoot a moose, or caribou, or wolf, or black bear, or brown bear..........I don't consider that "hunting". I am not sure what it should be called, but the "hunting" part was not included.

Hunting has been slowly corrupted, over the decades, it is now a High Production, High Profit, fast food take-out type experienc

Help with two things please:

1. I have back to back patients late through the day on the 17th, so I can't call-in. I did a quick search to find a link to submit written comment, but I didn't find one in my quick search. Anyone have that link handy?
2. I've reached a point that I want to ignore a specific member...it's time for me to do that. I've never activated the "ignore" option previously. I found it, but I'm having operator error trying to get it allow me to enter the member's user name. Any quick tips please?

Thank you guys!

Feel your pain but I am going to try to do it. I have some latitude in my practice and would like to verbally do this but have a question. Is it beneficial to have more people writing in. Even if you plan to call in should you also write you opinion to them.

 

[trapperJ]

I did the ignore thing as well. This has been a great conversation until....