Help LS Wild design the new stock!

[longrangelead]

Seriously, any bolt gun that relied on AR mags would be immediately DQd from consideration to me.

 

[Schmo]

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Now that’s on another level. You could do an S2H class on about 3 mags

 

[HuntHarder]

Poly AICS is my favorite magazines. I still can't bueve they won't/ can't make them for every cartridge.

 

[alexnelon]

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[BLJ]

OK, i'll bite. Why the heck would one want AR mags over AICS mags for a bolt action?

For a 22ARC.

$16 instead of $50
Smaller form factor
Dura-Mag is 2.32 COAL. With a factory chamber I’m not sure if the 2.48 MDT would help.
And depending on bottom metal, I can get a “flush” fit 4 round mag and still have 2.32 COAL.

Completely admit that my scenario is very niche, but those are my reasons.

 

[Bluumoon]

For a 22ARC.

$16 instead of $50
Smaller form factor
Dura-Mag is 2.32 COAL. With a factory chamber I’m not sure if the 2.48 MDT would help.
And depending on bottom metal, I can get a “flush” fit 4 round mag and still have 2.32 COAL.

Completely admit that my scenario is very niche, but those are my reasons.

You just found a product niche, I’d maybe suggest an insert adapter for AICS mag wells.

 

[SteveAndTheCrigBoys]

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That's just how many rounds it takes to kill an elk with a .223
I kid, I kid

 

[BLJ]

You just found a product niche, I’d maybe suggest an insert adapter for AICS mag wells.

Is there such a thing? I wouldn’t argue with that.
Beggars can’t be choosers when you’re the only person on the planet who wants something like that.

 

[Bluumoon]

Is there such a thing? I wouldn’t argue with that.
Beggars can’t be choosers when you’re the only person on the planet who wants something like that.

No idea. I certainly don’t need one, but it could be a thing

 

[BLJ]

No idea. I certainly don’t need one, but it could be a thing

Fair enough.
I thought you knew about one.

 

[Hemoglobin_97]

LS Wild is in the process of bringing a new stock to market. I am collaborating on design and doing the footwork for the project. Also, while @hereinaz will be chiming in on the thread, I have been assigned to be the point man for Rokslide, thus why I’m the one starting the thread.

Mission: To create a properly designed laminate wood hunting stock that has proper geometry, yet will be carried easily, and in an acceptable weight. Laminate allows for the feel and vibration dampening of real wood, while being able to bring it to market at a price that everyone in the game will be able to afford.

I have been in touch with manufacturers and a designer for preliminary info.

Here’s a concept photo: (ignore the Boyd’s stamped on the butt, they’re not making it)

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Please keep in mind that this is a concept photo, not final design. It’s very KRG similar, but that was just a close design that I could modify for a concept.

Inlet: Tikka, of course, using standard Tikka bottom metal

Barrel channel: Typical chassis barrel channel. This means no barrel contact issues, and reduces weight

Forend: sporter-ish forend about the length of a Stocky’s VG forend.

Comb: Comb will be at centerline of bore, with a negative slope.

Grip: Close to 90°, with approximately a 1.75” trigger reach. The material at the wrist will have to be taller than pictured to avoid breaking. The finger nub may or may not stay.

Toe line: nice flat toe line

The skeletonized buttstock is necessary for dropping weight, since laminate tends to be heavy. We will make the window as large as possible, while retaining necessary dimensions for structural integrity.

We will be doing everything realistically possible to make it as light as possible. I don’t have numbers on that yet.

Give us realistic design inputs. If there is a reason you wouldn’t buy this stock, what is that reason, and would you purchase if that were addressed?

Also, realistic suggestions for a name would be great.

Okay, talk to me!

I was really hoping for something like this...

 

[Schmo]

I was really hoping for something like this...

We’re not your huckleberry…

 

[Hemoglobin_97]

We’re not your huckleberry…

You just don't care about proper ergonomics

 

[Chris in TN]

I was really hoping for something like this...

At this point maybe they should just do like a Boyd's Pro Varmint base - but with the forend narrowed and shortened and the buttstock being nothing but a 3" tall by 1.25" wide core of material with threaded studs on the top and bottom and back.

Then offer 3D printed adapters that allow users to set LOP, comb height and angle, toe angle, forend length, and so on, using those studs. Buy the base stock and then choose your adapters like interchangeable handgun grips. Offer every base stock with one option for each 3d printed module then sell others at hefty retail prices so guys that really wanted to experiment could order them one at a time. Shape the 3D printed comb right and you could even allow it to be mounted up top then the recoil pad be able to shift higher on the base-stock and have its top mounting screw go into a stud on the 3d printed comb module.

The modules would be lighter than the laminated wood itself, likely.

Like so:

This could be the base stock:



Then add modules:



I'm not a stock designer, so, yes, those are 5-minute efforts in MSpaint.

??

 

[wind gypsy]

At this point maybe they should just do like a Boyd's Pro Varmint base - but with the forend narrowed and shortened and the buttstock being nothing but a 3" tall by 1.25" wide core of material with threaded studs on the top and bottom and back.

Then offer 3D printed adapters that allow users to set LOP, comb height and angle, toe angle, forend length, and so on, using those studs. Buy the base stock and then choose your adapters like interchangeable handgun grips. Offer every base stock with one option for each 3d printed module then sell others at hefty retail prices so guys that really wanted to experiment could order them one at a time. Shape the 3D printed comb right and you could even allow it to be mounted up top then the recoil pad be able to shift higher on the base-stock and have its top mounting screw go into a stud on the 3d printed comb module.

The modules would be lighter than the laminated wood itself, likely.

Like so:

This could be the base stock:

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Then add modules:

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I'm not a stock designer, so, yes, those are 5-minute efforts in MSpaint.

??

Honestly seems reasonable.

 

[jakeismydog2]

At this point maybe they should just do like a Boyd's Pro Varmint base - but with the forend narrowed and shortened and the buttstock being nothing but a 3" tall by 1.25" wide core of material with threaded studs on the top and bottom and back.

Then offer 3D printed adapters that allow users to set LOP, comb height and angle, toe angle, forend length, and so on, using those studs. Buy the base stock and then choose your adapters like interchangeable handgun grips. Offer every base stock with one option for each 3d printed module then sell others at hefty retail prices so guys that really wanted to experiment could order them one at a time. Shape the 3D printed comb right and you could even allow it to be mounted up top then the recoil pad be able to shift higher on the base-stock and have its top mounting screw go into a stud on the 3d printed comb module.

The modules would be lighter than the laminated wood itself, likely.

Like so:

This could be the base stock:

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Then add modules:

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I'm not a stock designer, so, yes, those are 5-minute efforts in MSpaint.

??

While there have been some really shocking things mentioned in this thread... The most shocking thing I read is that MS Paint is still a program people can use

 

[hereinaz]

I disagree with many here. We have a grown man caught with open, blatant plagiarism that resorts to rationalizing and denial to overcome owning his error and assessing his shortcomings.

I’m not perfect either, but if you get caught, at least own it, give yourself an honest self assessment and avoid obfuscating.

If you made a one off stock or a few for yourself, that’s one thing. However, this is a product marketed to the same people as the real deal on the platform that exists because of those who designed the real deal.

This is completely absurd and completely avoidable if people were honest with themselves and their intent.

I don’t think I will convince you, but for others reading the thread:

Form is correct that it started with a request to copy the RS. Note later in the thread what Form said about this design.

Neither Schmo or I denied that this started in the other thread. Because it’s a “new” stock design, we started a new thread. And, exactly like I said it is not a copy of the unique design.

Hope you stick around to see the ultimate design.

At this point maybe they should just do like a Boyd's Pro Varmint base - but with the forend narrowed and shortened and the buttstock being nothing but a 3" tall by 1.25" wide core of material with threaded studs on the top and bottom and back.

Then offer 3D printed adapters that allow users to set LOP, comb height and angle, toe angle, forend length, and so on, using those studs. Buy the base stock and then choose your adapters like interchangeable handgun grips. Offer every base stock with one option for each 3d printed module then sell others at hefty retail prices so guys that really wanted to experiment could order them one at a time. Shape the 3D printed comb right and you could even allow it to be mounted up top then the recoil pad be able to shift higher on the base-stock and have its top mounting screw go into a stud on the 3d printed comb module.

The modules would be lighter than the laminated wood itself, likely.

Like so:

This could be the base stock:

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Then add modules:

View attachment 1034911

I'm not a stock designer, so, yes, those are 5-minute efforts in MSpaint.

??

This is a kinda cool idea actually. I like modularity. Not for this first Master Sporter version though.

Would have to think about how to do modules. I think I would still skeletonize the stock some and run a chunk to the top and bottom of the butt pad.

I am trying to think how to keep the comb in some shape to easily print a cheek piece or use a hard foam.

pro varmint isn’t that far off.

 

[Timjohnson11]

You tend to do this. How is the original start of “this” stock- “changing the industry”?

Actually read the original thread. Read what they wrote. Then come back and read what I wrote in my first post here quoting the OP about a specific statement. I do not care personally if they do copy the stock- that wasn’t my goal. All I was doing is correcting what was stated- it was about intellectual honesty and not revising history.

That’s it.

@Formidilosus probably best to move on from this thread. You do you, keep working on that Tikka CLONE project, and let LS Wild do him.

 

[BasicUtahrd95]

At this point maybe they should just do like a Boyd's Pro Varmint base - but with the forend narrowed and shortened and the buttstock being nothing but a 3" tall by 1.25" wide core of material with threaded studs on the top and bottom and back.

Then offer 3D printed adapters that allow users to set LOP, comb height and angle, toe angle, forend length, and so on, using those studs. Buy the base stock and then choose your adapters like interchangeable handgun grips. Offer every base stock with one option for each 3d printed module then sell others at hefty retail prices so guys that really wanted to experiment could order them one at a time. Shape the 3D printed comb right and you could even allow it to be mounted up top then the recoil pad be able to shift higher on the base-stock and have its top mounting screw go into a stud on the 3d printed comb module.

The modules would be lighter than the laminated wood itself, likely.

Like so:

This could be the base stock:

View attachment 1034910

Then add modules:

View attachment 1034911

I'm not a stock designer, so, yes, those are 5-minute efforts in MSpaint.

??

I was actually working on something like this for my Tikka stock over the weekend. It’s a 3D printed spacer for LOP that also raises the butt to the bore line and then slopes down from there. Just need to grind down the new recoil pad. I designed it to work with the existing Tika pad as well, but it looks kind of weird.

 

[ezwy]

Personally, I really like the Boyd’s spike camp. I know there have been some anti thumbhole comments on here, but when the hole gets a certain size I don’t think it matters as much.
Raise the comb a little, flatten the toe, and make the grip a little more vertical. Not your average thumb hole. Works fine for right and left handers. Could even add a second window in the butt.