Help LS Wild design the new stock!

[Foster_65]

I was gonna guess closer to 40ish ounces. Time will tell. Always good to see innovation tho.

I think you’re right. I assume you would have to hog alot of wood off it and it would likely compromise the attributes. One can hope though

 

[Schmo]

And available to Canadians?

Not sure on that yet, and can’t commit to anything. I’d love to be able to do that tho

 

[Schmo]

I wonder if a buttressed cutout in the rear (multiple smaller holes)would address your issues with strength near the wrist area?

A buttressed cutout still would not negate the required structure in the wrist.

 

[Schmo]

FWIW it’s not impossible to make a comfortable VFG laminate with a decently strong wrist. But a bridge across the top would be stronger.

Everything is always a compromise.

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This is a perfect example of material above the datum line, that still allows for a vertical grip and laying the thumb the spine of the grip in line with the action. Even the RS Lite has a wrist that’s almost that high.

 

[Schmo]

I like the idea of a good wooden stock that doesn’t cost $2500, but I think a lot of the suggestions in this thread come from the realm of the good idea fairy. Keep it simple if you want to stay on track with your price point, functionality, and weight goals.

That’s the plan

 

[Schmo]

i would vote to do a proper sandwich composite stock.

I wish someone could explain to me why the firearm industry refuses to adopt technology that even the absurdly behind the times recreational marine industry has used mainstream since the 1960’s.

I don’t know the answer to this, but we’re limited to manufacturing methods that are currently used.

 

[Schmo]

I don’t think under 30oz is feasible, even 30oz is prob a stretch. They are wanting wood stock w chassis attributes. Wild guess, but I’d bet it lands closer to 36oz at least and that ain’t bad.

Weight is definitely the toughest part of this project, since we’re working with a material that’s heavy by nature.

 

[Schmo]

For those who want Arca rails, pic rails, etc, that will be a pretty easy DIY fix. In order to meet the goals of our mission, we have to keep it simple. The goal of LS Wild is a lean perspective on bringing niche items to the market that have either not been done at all, or not as they should be. That being said, for LS Wild to offer items with a limited amount of labor available, having multiple SKU’s per inlet goes against the model of a lean process.

Something to remember is that a laminate wood product is extremely easy to route, sand, cut, modify, etc. The options for DIY-ers are far more easily accomplished than when working with a carbon fiber product.

 

[wind gypsy]

Thumbs up on the concept. Mid 30s ounce would likely be good IMO.

RE heavier model - I wouldn't want that weight to be in the ass end unless using a long/heavy barrel as it would be too easy to get it ass heavy which is why I think you're on the right track of removing weight from that area for hunting rifles.

 

[Schmo]

We’re planning on a larger cut out in the stock, but AI has its limitations for rendering as such. Once we get enough feedback on this thread and compile final design cues, we’ll be to get a CAD drawing

 

[Bluumoon]

We’re planning on a larger cut out in the stock, but AI has its limitations for rendering as such. Once we get enough feedback on this thread and compile final design cues, we’ll be to get a CAD drawing

I need enough flat surface area on the sides along the toe line, and preferably a triangle where toe meets butt pad to grip w thumb and pointer finger.

 

[Bluumoon]

Master Sporter stock weights 3lbs 10oz

The adjustable butt pad is heavy, lots of extra wood on the fore end

 

[HGL]

As far as weight, this won't be a direct comparison, but I snagged a wood 700 stock from Stocky's years ago that had their aluminum bedding block and pillars installed. It weighs right at 41 oz. (not laminate, but maybe in the same "ballpark"). Not super heavy but definitely not light. Shooting it is great though.

 

[SIR_34:16]

Aluminum pillars possible but no full length bedding block for me.

I'll second the pillar motion!

 

[Schmo]

Hey All:
Really appreciate the interaction here on the thread.

This thread has a lot of good comments and suggestions. I want to ask again: Are we missing anything?

A quick summary of the goal: A very reasonably priced hunting stock that gives the warm feel and natural vibration dampening of wood, yet is not expensive, and is properly designed. We want this to be a stock that you just as soon put on your 16” RSS as your 20” 6.5 PRC. We want it to shoot like a precision stock, but carry like a sporter. It will have a shorter forend, something like the forend length of the RS Lite and/or Stocky’s VG.

We are rolling on this project, and want to get moving in the full development process soon. Thanks again!

 

[Gstew1930]

Very interested to see how this turns out. I think its a great idea

 

[wind gypsy]

A recent thread reminded me of this - I like a little relief on the toe line behind the pistol grip for comfortable cradle carry. Not a big deal but a little tweak that would be nice. Very rare for me to need the toe for rear support that far forward.

 

[Schmo]

A recent thread reminded me of this - I like a little relief on the toe line behind the pistol grip for comfortable cradle carry. Not a big deal but a little tweak that would be nice. Very rare for me to need the toe for rear support that far forward.

We are wanting to do something very similar to that. Ours will probably be for the full length of the toe. Very similar to how the RS Lite is done.

Also, I want to get ahead of something, if that’s possible. LS Wild and I had a very lengthy phone call on Saturday discussing details. When we were talking about design details, we already had in mind several things we wanted. After we discussed them, we looked at the RS Lite and saw that it had some of those same items. Now, our stock is NOT a copy of an RS or RS Lite. Features that end up the same/similar are 100% either because proper design can only be done so many ways, or that we settled on a design idea, and then after talking realize that a feature happens to be the same. We ARE NOT turning out a “Me too” product.

 

[Formidilosus]

Also, I want to get ahead of something, if that’s possible. LS Wild and I had a very lengthy phone call on Saturday discussing details. When we were talking about design details, we already had in mind several things we wanted. After we discussed them, we looked at the RS Lite and saw that it had some of those same items. Now, our stock is NOT a copy of an RS or RS Lite. Features that end up the same/similar are 100% either because proper design can only be done so many ways, or that we settled on a design idea, and then after talking realize that a feature happens to be the same. We ARE NOT turning out a “Me too” product.

There is only so many ways to design a stock optimally…

However, to be fair- that is exactly how it started. “I want to copy a ROKStok in wood or laminate and sell it cheaper”. LS Wild got called out in that thread for exactly that by others, and then functionally said he didn’t care and had no problem with copying items and making a cheaper version.
That’s whatever- it isn’t patented so people can do whatever they feel good about. But, don’t obfuscate and try to say it wasn’t exactly that. The original intent was “I want to make a cheaper version of a wood ROKStok, or a derivative therof, and sell it from my business”. That was the stated goal.

 

[BBob]

That’s whatever- it isn’t patented so people can do whatever they feel good about. But, don’t obfuscate and try to say it wasn’t exactly that.

So I’m sitting on a couple of 3D scans of a couple of sticks and have a CNC stickmaker on board and I’m deliberating this very thing. If I did it I would call them what they are, cheaper laminated wood knockoffs. For now I’m watching where this all goes before I lay down any cash on the project.