Hart or Alamo Precision

[Darryle]

That sounds more like a scope issue to me. If Alamo was having a widespread issue with their action and stock choices in their packages guns, they'd do something about it. They sell truckloads of those.

You tell me, it's a common issue with Defiance actions.

 

[SDHNTR]

You can also send that bolt back to Defiance and they’ll put a new handle on it for more clearance.

 

[Throwin Darts]

I have an APR. The build process was great and the gun is outstanding. Next custom will be from them as well

 

[snarkscarbine]

APR is one of the best in the business. Lots of personal experience with them, lots of people I know have lots of experience too. The woman that just won the King of 2 Miles competition was shooting an APR, if that says anything to you.

 

[300 win mag]

do yourself a favor.call and speak to one of the guys i mentioned.in your situation i would call mike bryant in texas 1st then some of the others mentioned.i like a one man shop,does the work and responsible for the outcome.integrity #1 along with skill..just food for thought jon beanland has built my last 2.with rem clone actions or blueprinting remingtons he will get future work from me,another is matt stewart also in oklahoma and worked for surgeon rifles for 10 years ans was a understudy of robert gradous for some time.now with a winchester mark penrod is all that and more.

 

[300 win mag]

APR will have you dialed in for $2800.

you get what you pay for.food for thought.

 

[SDHNTR]

you get what you pay for.food for thought.

While this is definitely true, you have to understand APR’s business model to understand how and why they do what they do for such an economical price. No corners are cut, the best of quality materials and parts are used. If you spec’d out the same build using the exact same parts with most other builders you’d pay $4-4500 for the exact same rifle in the end.

Instead, APR has package rifle options where they buy parts in bulk, using economy of scale for better pricing. Then as a customer you simply choose the package you want for your style of hunting, then select caliber, barrel length and twist, type of fluting and Cerakote colors. I suppose you could argue you aren’t getting fully custom, but I’d argue they’ve just done the hard work for you ahead of time. Their Maverick package is a near perfect hunting rifle. I don’t think one could do any better starting from scratch.

 

[Darryle]

You can also send that bolt back to Defiance and they’ll put a new handle on it for more clearance.

Yes you can, but the APR Altitude 280 Ackley has no issues with bolt clearance using the same optics.

I tried a Swarovski Z6, Leica ER 5 & Magnus, Vortex Razor HD LHT and a couple of Leupold scopes, regardless of what I did, I did not have proper cheek weld. So my options were, add an adjustable comb, build up the comb or replace the stock altogether. All of which would have ended up costing me about the same as the money I lost on the deal. I punted and will build me another 7mm-08 using the same components as was used on the 280 Ackley.

There is more to this story, and a few members here, at LRH and a few other forums know the complete story. I am not knocking APR one bit on their abilities or the quality of their rifles. I am just hesitant to use them again.

Factory Nosler 140gr AccuBond ammo, cold bore was also on a clean barrel.

Doe was just a little over 140yds and shot thru the eye. I shot 2 more the next morning at over 300yds in the head. They build extremely accurate rifles that look as good as they function.

 

[SDHNTR]

Yes you can, but the APR Altitude 280 Ackley has no issues with bolt clearance using the same optics.

I tried a Swarovski Z6, Leica ER 5 & Magnus, Vortex Razor HD LHT and a couple of Leupold scopes, regardless of what I did, I did not have proper cheek weld. So my options were, add an adjustable comb, build up the comb or replace the stock altogether. All of which would have ended up costing me about the same as the money I lost on the deal. I punted and will build me another 7mm-08 using the same components as was used on the 280 Ackley.

There is more to this story, and a few members here, at LRH and a few other forums know the complete story. I am not knocking APR one bit on their abilities or the quality of their rifles. I am just hesitant to use them again.

Factory Nosler 140gr AccuBond ammo, cold bore was also on a clean barrel.

Doe was just a little over 140yds and shot thru the eye. I shot 2 more the next morning at over 300yds in the head. They build extremely accurate rifles that look as good as they function.

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Gotcha. I had a 3-18x50 Swaro Z6 on one of mine with no clearance issues, using medium Talley lightweights. Same with my buddy and a Zeiss V6. His is close but doesn’t contact.

 

[300 win mag]

darryle.i know and understand apr and there different models.i know they have built some great rifles and offer a great value rifle on there less expensive models.so we all have our flavor.also obviously you enjoy your firearms as i do.by the way,280ai is one of my top 6 all time favorites.enjoy and good hunting.

 

[CApighunter]

Love my APR built 280ai, but I’ve yet to hear a bad thing about Hart. Wouldn’t hesitate to use either.

 

[stan5677]

do yourself a favor.call and speak to one of the guys i mentioned.in your situation i would call mike bryant in texas 1st then some of the others mentioned.i like a one man shop,does the work and responsible for the outcome.integrity #1 along with skill..just food for thought jon beanland has built my last 2.with rem clone actions or blueprinting remingtons he will get future work from me,another is matt stewart also in oklahoma and worked for surgeon rifles for 10 years ans was a understudy of robert gradous for some time.now with a winchester mark penrod is all that and more.

Thank you. I called a spoke to a few and based upon needs and price Dana English and Joe Collier fit the bill. I went to sportsman warehouse today and only liked the Tikka T3x and the Win Mod 70 with the Bergara B14 3rd but truly didn't love them. I handle every rifle inventory and those are the only ones that fit but i can see myself definitely upgrading the tikka which I might as well go custom at that point. Apr is also in the list as well as I really don't want to spend a shit ton but those I mentioned look very good to me.

 

[300 win mag]

stan.either one will build you a great rifle.dana used to be a big wig in the auto industry.believe also built race car engines.joe lived about 10 minutes from robert gradous.good friends of robert for many years and gave joe some advice.gradous recommended both of them to me years ago for a few friends in a hurry.collier rifles has a facebook page.dont know about dana.these two and the others will make you happy.remember apr is good,but they have different grades of rifles and price points.nothing at all wrong with them.whoever you choose go over exactly what you want,then listen when they recommend something.please let me know who you choose.any ? at all just ask.will keep a eye open on this thread.

 

[300 win mag]

stan,just curious what calibers you are interested in.approximate weight.stocks you like.remember you want a rifle that fits you and very important balances well.

 

[kkp005]

I don’t have a full custom but APR recently rebarreled a Bergara I had that didn’t shoot that great. They put a 6cm brux on it and man is it a shooter. They were extremely helpful and easy to talk to on the phone

 

[stan5677]

stan,just curious what calibers you are interested in.approximate weight.stocks you like.remember you want a rifle that fits you and very important balances well.

6.5CM, .308win, 7mm-08, i like the bell and carlson medalist stock i handled a extreme weather ss with the b&c stock and liked it very much as far as weight something around a t3x lite/super lite for weight the bergara b14 is the upper limit i would like

 

[stan5677]

Initially emailed dana and he is charging 850 for the labor with a 90 lead time. If any one can help with a complete component list it would be appreciated.

 

[SDHNTR]

Initially emailed dana and he is charging 850 for the labor with a 90 lead time. If any one can help with a complete component list it would be appreciated.

What kind of build are we talking about here? Versatile hunting rifle? Ultralight mountain rifle? Benchrest rifles? PRS? Give us some info on what you are ultimately trying to achieve.

 

[stan5677]

What kind of build are we talking about here? Versatile hunting rifle? Ultralight mountain rifle? Benchrest rifles? PRS? Give us some info on what you are ultimately trying to achieve.

Just a versatile hunting rifle not looking for an ultra light weight I handled a tikka t3x and it fit and balance me real well.

 

[SDHNTR]

Easy then:

McMillian Hunter stock
Defiance Tenacity
Bartlein #3 or similar
Trigger Tech primary
Hawkins Obendorf BDL bottom metal