Grizzly ammo recommendations

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So after doing some reading and watching several you tube videos on which ammo to get for bear defense and ended up Purchasing 6 boxes of underwood HC 200gr. Well fast forward to yesterday we decided to shoot a mag each and disaster struck. We had jam after jam in all 3 and a mag drop twice. So we scoured the internet for solutions and ended up ordering some new guide rods with 24lb springs and new spring for the mags.

My question is what ammo would yall go with in case this doesn’t fix are problems. I was looking at Hornady back country. Getting down to the wire for us before we leave
 
What pistol are you shooting? I have heard glock and springfield doesn't like hard cast ammo much. I ordered 4 boxes of double tap hard cast and after hearing that I bought 4 boxes of honey badger solid copper. They are a lighter bullet but have heard good reviews

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Any reliable ammo from any reliable gun will probably dissuade a grizzly from continuing to try to chomp on you.

That being said, I carry a 44 magnum revolver loaded with all copper hunting rounds so no worries about jams, or the gun going out of battery if things get too up close and personal.
 
I’ve practiced with and had no issues with the Hornady Backcountry Defense 9mm ammo for this year so far. That’s what I’ll be carrying for archery season here in Montana. Definitely a good idea to run a few mags of whatever you decide on though to make sure it runs better than the Underwood in your gun.
 
Don't mess with the springs, go with a good barrier blind ammo like Hornady Critical Defense, Critical Duty, Federal HST, etc.. It's about rounds on target and reliability.
 
IMO, 10mm are great for grizzly ammo. Most high-end 10mm ammo manufacturers list their 200 grain HC loads as having greater energy than their 220 gr. I personally have seen better performance with the 200's and don't use the 220's at all.
 
I've used that stuff for years.

Glock 40 with a 26# spring and LW rod.
Also the 45 Supers in my FN 45 TAC

I just ordered some 150 extreme hunters for the 10mm. I was running low on hardcasts. Also realized how stupid it was not to carry a spare mag.

Underwood is definitely where it's at. Supper hot and cheaper than buffalo bore. None of that 40 pressure crap the main manufactures sell.
 
What pistol are you shooting? I have heard glock and springfield doesn't like hard cast ammo much. I ordered 4 boxes of double tap hard cast and after hearing that I bought 4 boxes of honey badger solid copper. They are a lighter bullet but have heard good reviews

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Not so sure about the Springfields. I’ve used the Underwood 200 and 220 HC in two Springfield XDM’s, compact and full size, with no issues.
 
When using hot loads the slide velocity can have negative effects, as can the increase in recoil.
I have not made any mods to a M&P, but made several mods to shoot 45 Super out a 1911. The actions/reactions have to be balanced. Even with recoil springs that would be good, a limp wrist will cause jams easily.
 
Those underwood hardcasts functioned well in my factory G40 as well.

I wouldn't overthink it. Get something that functions reliably first. I'd use flat nosed FMJs if thats what cycled reliably. Hopefully you've shot those pistols before now and have something they cycle reliably?

Edit to share: Cool story i heard covered on @bearcreekbandit's podcast. In relation to this thread, they used a hodgepodge of assorted 10mm ammo to stop this bear.
 
Been a while since I read it but supposedly the early gen S&W 10 mm had issues with loose fitting mag's causing jams and the mag's falling out.
 
I've never hunted in areas with grizzlies but I carried a 1911 with cast flat points when we were in Yellowstone.

At handgun speeds most bullets won't deform much, if at all, if cast from a somewhat softer alloy. At rifle speeds maybe 'hard cast' is a need for deep penetration, but at handgun speeds, 'hard cast' is more of a marketing term than anything you actually *need*.

And if I had a pistol that wouldn't feed wide-meplat flat points, but I wanted deep penetration, I'd very likely just buy some flat-point FMJ type practice ammo. At the end of the day the selling point of 'hard cast' ammo is deep penetration and tissue damage caused along the way by the wide meplat. Well, a basic flat point FMJ or truncated cone bullet like a lot of cheaper 10mm ammo has, will do the exact same thing, albeit it usually with a slightly smaller meplat, and for a lot cheaper. And if the meplat being smaller means smaller wound channels, it also means a deeper wound channel.

Don't overthink it. Your best bet with a charging grizzly is to make a CNS shot and your best likelihood of doing that unless you're an insanely good pistol shot is to be able to shoot multiple shots.

When I lived in east TN I very unintentionally walked up on a black bear one day. I was squirrel hunting, it heard me and let me walk up on it before it spooked and took off the opposite direction. Its speed scared me. Had it wanted to hurt me I would have died with my .22 slung over my shoulder. Bears are fast when they want to be.

CCI makes a Blazer load in 10mm with a 200 grain flat point FMJ. That's exactly what I'd buy if I needed a box of 10mm 'bear load' tomorrow. Not because it's cheaper, but because the smaller meplat bullet is more likely to feed well in a gun that's already shown to be finicky.
 
When using hot loads the slide velocity can have negative effects, as can the increase in recoil.
I have not made any mods to a M&P, but made several mods to shoot 45 Super out a 1911. The actions/reactions have to be balanced. Even with recoil springs that would be good, a limp wrist will cause jams easily.
Same here on two 1911s and I found that there was a threshold with one of them, above which the extra recoil would cause the slide lock to lock into place between shots. It ran perfectly with lighter loads but above a certain point (like a 250 over 900'MV) the slide started locking back after some shots. Not good. (ETA: and I wasn't limp wristing it) I'd much rather have more controllable recoil and a reliable pistol than worry about extra velocity. Remember that the original Army .45 Colt 250-grain ammo was intended to shoot through horses.
 
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