Grizzly-1, Hiker-0

[BuzzH]

Theres a reason the old timers killed them off. Yet we have liberal disney-minded people who want em everywhere. How many folks have to die before people start protecting thselves?

What a dumb post.

In all of north America, 2-5 people die a year from bear attacks, combined black bear and grizzlies.

Around 65 people a year die from bee stings.

Should we kill off every bee?

I suggest you stay on the pavement, you'll be safe from bears there.

 

[SWFLhntr]

Who said kill them all off lol? They should be managed for hunting no?

 

[Mdfowlman2]

What a dumb post.

In all of north America, 2-5 people die a year from bear attacks, combined black bear and grizzlies.

Around 65 people a year die from bee stings.

Should we kill off every bee?

I suggest you stay on the pavement, you'll be safe from bears there.

That statistic may be slightly true but let’s take it down to a more local scale. 3 people have been killed by Grizzlies in montana in the last 9-10 months.
Should we eliminate them? NO! However we do need to delist them and manage them appropriately.

 

[BuzzH]

Who said kill them all off lol? They should be managed for hunting no?

Absolutely, and even with limited hunting people will still be mauled and killed.

And don't start with the BS that hunting will put the fear into them, because that's simply a full on display of ignorance to even say it.

Also read the brilliant post by RichM..."there's a reason why old timers killed them off".

Yeah the same reason that the same old timers nearly wiped out elk, pronghorn, deer, wild sheep, bison...because they were ignorant fools.

 

[BuzzH]

That statistic may be slightly true but let’s take it down to a more local scale. 3 people have been killed by Grizzlies in montana in the last 9-10 months.
Should we eliminate them? NO! However we do need to delist them and manage them appropriately.

Considering how many people we have recreating in bear country, many who don't know chit from clay about bears, surprised it's not significantly more.

Grizzlies are already being managed, look into how many Montana and Wyoming kill each year.

Issuing a handful of tags will do nothing to change these kinds of unfortunate situations.

Being self aware, bear aware and prepared in bear country will.

The drive to the trailheads are far more worrisome, and statistically more likely to kill or maim you than the bears...fact.

 

[Pacific_Fork]

Considering how many people we have recreating in bear country, many who don't know chit from clay about bears, surprised it's not significantly more.

Grizzlies are already being managed, look into how many Montana and Wyoming kill each year.

Issuing a handful of tags will do nothing to change these kinds of unfortunate situations.

Being self aware, bear aware and prepared in bear country will.

The drive to the trailheads are far more worrisome, and statistically more likely to kill or maim you than the bears...fact.

You’re not wrong. I think it’s a natural/reasonable reaction to feel the need to hunt down apex predators after they’ve killed one of your fellow man or worse family member. Hopefully this one is found and killed. Extinction? No. Shot at more often, yes.

 

[BuzzH]

You’re not wrong. I think it’s a natural/reasonable reaction to feel the need to hunt down apex predators after they’ve killed one of your fellow man or worse family member. Hopefully this one is found and killed. Extinction? No. Shot at more often, yes.

I think it's a natural over-reaction...which is a flaw in human nature.

No different than an over-reaction of impacted families wanting a ban on firearms when a mass shooting occurs at a school.

No different than an irrational fear of flying when a 737 crashes when the drive to the airport is statistically more dangerous.

It's called life and assuming risk...mitigate the risks and get on with it.

Unfortunate things still happen, wish they didn't but that's not realistic either.

What I do know is that over reacting is not the solution...ever.

 

[SWFLhntr]

It’s a natural over reaction to want flourishing grizzly bears hunted? Guilty.

 

[BuzzH]

It’s a natural over reaction to want flourishing grizzly bears hunted? Guilty.

They already are hunted...Wyoming gf hunts and kills dozens a year.

A limited public hunting season won't change the outcomes of people getting mauled and killed every once in a while.

I'm 100 percent in favor of limited grizzly hunting seasons in Wyoming. I wish I would have had a tag on many of the 26 days I hunted sheep near Cody. Could have shot 4 grizzlies the day I killed my ram...one in particular was all a hunter could expect.

Even more in favor now that 90 percent of tags will go to residents.

 

[Jesse Jaymes]

Was gonna ask....weren't 91 G Bears whacked last year by LEO/BIOs in WY/MT?

 

[Rich M]

What a dumb post.

In all of north America, 2-5 people die a year from bear attacks, combined black bear and grizzlies.

Around 65 people a year die from bee stings.

Should we kill off every bee?

I suggest you stay on the pavement, you'll be safe from bears there.

Not dumb just contrary to what you like. If they want em on the endangered species list, make sure they are endangered.

Otherwise the grizzlies provide absolutely nothing the wolves don't already cover - except for killing guys with a gaggle of children when they get press. That guide with the helpless client - he had like 4 kids too.

 

[Doc Holliday]

This is why you bring deadly force with you in big predator country...

Maybe he did and didn't see it coming. Let's wait for details before playing armchair quarterback

 

[Elk97]

What a dumb post.

In all of north America, 2-5 people die a year from bear attacks, combined black bear and grizzlies.

Around 65 people a year die from bee stings.

Should we kill off every bee?

I suggest you stay on the pavement, you'll be safe from bears there.

What a dumb analogy.

Last time I checked, bees were everywhere and a lot of people are allergic to the protein in their venom. Bees are normally docile unless you step on them or attack their hive. In fact you can take their food away from them if you are careful and never get stung. Try that with a griz and let us know how it worked out for ya.

Grizzlies on the other hand are concentrated in a relatively small geographic area. Not known to be docile, in fact just the opposite, I've encountered some that had real nasty attitudes. You don't need to be allergic to them to end up dead or mauled.

Way to sensationalize what was said, you are the only one to suggest they should all be killed. Fake news.

 

[BuzzH]

Not dumb just contrary to what you like. If they want em on the endangered species list, make sure they are endangered.

Otherwise the grizzlies provide absolutely nothing the wolves don't already cover - except for killing guys with a gaggle of children when they get press. That guide with the helpless client - he had like 4 kids too.

Right and people with 4 kids die in plane crashes, die from gun violence, car wrecks, accidents at work, atv crashes, bee stings, the list is endless

We tend to not want to get rid of cars, guns, bees, or airplanes over it though.

No reason to get rid of bears because a few people are killed by them either.

Irrational response to something that likely doesn't impact you personally in any way, shape or form.

 

[BuzzH]

What a dumb analogy.

Last time I checked, bees were everywhere and a lot of people are allergic to the protein in their venom. Bees are normally docile unless you step on them or attack their hive. In fact you can take their food away from them if you are careful and never get stung. Try that with a griz and let us know how it worked out for ya.

Grizzlies on the other hand are concentrated in a relatively small geographic area. Not known to be docile, in fact just the opposite, I've encountered some that had real nasty attitudes. You don't need to be allergic to them to end up dead or mauled.

Way to sensationalize what was said, you are the only one to suggest they should all be killed. Fake news.

Grizzlies are docile nearly their entire lives.

Leave them alone and they'll do you no harm 100 percent of the time. They are normally docile unless you stumble into a food cache or surprise a sow and cubs, you know essentially "kicking their hive".

Since where they live is so small and they're concentrated, stay away from those areas or assume the risk.

Be prepared if you take the risk to further mitigate a negative outcome.

Real simple.

 

[Rich M]

Right and people with 4 kids die in plane crashes, die from gun violence, car wrecks, accidents at work, atv crashes, bee stings, the list is endless

We tend to not want to get rid of cars, guns, bees, or airplanes over it though.

No reason to get rid of bears because a few people are killed by them either.

Irrational response to something that likely doesn't impact you personally in any way, shape or form.

Hi Buzz - I respect your attachment to the bears and agree that there are a million other ways to die which are a lot more common.

 

[BuzzH]

Hi Buzz - I respect your attachment to the bears and agree that there are a million other ways to die which are a lot more common.

I respect your over reaction to a species you'll likely never encounter. Also your concern about a place you don't live, work, or recreate in is dually noted.

I'll take your concerns into the level of consideration appropriate when the state of Wyoming regains management of grizzlies. Management determined by the residents of Wyoming.

Feel free to manage the grizzlies in your state...and bees.

 

[3325]

Being self aware, bear aware and prepared in bear country will.

That. Right. There.

I’ve seen a lot of bears in Wyoming but have been blessed to have never had a close encounter of the worst kind.

I will add that prepared for me comes in layers: a German Shepherd, bear spray, and a 10mm in a chest rig.

Those things can’t replace self aware and bear aware. But they can compliment it in a big way.

 

[bsnedeker]

Leave them alone and they'll do you no harm 100 percent of the time. They are normally docile unless you stumble into a food cache or surprise a sow and cubs, you know essentially "kicking their hive".

I was 100 percent with you until you made this absurd statement. Demonstrably false. There are numerous cases of people being pulled out of tents while sleeping. There was a lady in Yellowstone a few years ago who was pulled out of her tent in the middle of the night... sleeping with headphones on.... she wasn't kicking any hive. There was some dumb stuff around what happened to that lady in Ovando last year but that bear came after her, it wasn't the other way around. That same bear was killed after it killed a ladies chickens and then busted into her house... fortunately she wasn't home at the time or that could have been a second fatality.

I think grizzlies are amazing animals, and I feel blessed to live in an area where I can see them, but let's not pretend that they are harmless critters just living their lives. They are opportunistic predators and will absolutely kill even when unprovoked. It's not the norm, and I agree that over-reacting is never good, but let's be real here.



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[3325]

Also, pistols and spray must be ready and available. Wyoming guide Mark Uptain had a 10mm when he was killed in 2018. He’d taken it off to work on the carcass and that sow was on him before he could do anything. Mark eventually got his bear spray deployed but he’d already sustained non-survivable injuries.

I didn’t really know Mark but I used to see him around. And I used to see his little boy in church wearing his daddy’s Stetson - hat too big coming down over his ears. That will make you choke up.