Good Gas Mileage Hunting Vehicle

[WRM]

f150 hybird?

What happened to the hybrid concept? Logical stepping stone to "someday" having all EVs. JoePa opens his piehole about EVs and everybody seems to have jumped direct to "all EV" and accomplished before some time that is laughable to commit to.

 

[WRM]

why not have a small generator fueled by hydrocarbon sources.

Why are there not generators attached at each wheel? We used to have lights on our bikes powered by the wheels turning. Regenerative braking used to be mentioned with early EVs, as I recall. Wheel based generators surely wouldn't solve the charge issue, but it ought to help.

 

[FLATHEAD]

Reckon some of them big ole Spinner Rims could generate enough
electricity to keep them batts charged?

 

[Btaylor]

Reckon some of them big ole Spinner Rims could generate enough
electricity to keep them batts charged?

Maybe enough for a couple hydraulic bounces per day.

 

[OrangeMan73]

Take this from an ultra-hillbilly. Get a compact sedan with good tires, Civic for example, and tow a lightweight single axle trailer with an ATV on it to the trailhead or reasonable spot from the highway. You'll get ~25+mpg on the highway and ~20+mpg on the rougher roads. Fairly inexpensive too, I drive a beater sedan and quad and the whole setup cost me less than $5k.

Wouldn't want to do that with a big UTV but a 500-700 pound quad won't hurt a FWD sedan, specially if its on a small lightweight trailer. Be responsible and don't throttle your tranny on the highway like a dork and you'll be saving dollas and getting some sweet looks. If you can carry gear on a dirtbike, prolly even better yet.

Buckle up folks, gas is gonna get worse before it gets better, don't let it stop you from getting to the woods.

 

[307]

My brother in law rented a Tesla to drive from Dallas area to Chicago area, he wanted one until that trip. Not sure the details but I know the range did not hold up on the road to their claims.

Long distance trips seem to be the biggest weakness for EV so it seems weird to choose one for such a drive.

 

[pattimusprime22]

I have an EV for daily driving and love it. Haven't had any issues taking it on roadtrips along the west coast. That being said, range anxiety is a reality for EVs as of now. As charging infrastructure increases, it will be less of a concern. Within a few years the total cost of ownership of EVs will be lower than ICE vehicles, so I'd imagine most everyone will transition at some point just due to cost.

For trips up in the mountains I still use an ICE vehicle and don't foresee using an EV until range is greatly increased OR charging infrastructure is readily available closer to trailheads/wilderness areas.

 

[nphunter]

I’m a Tacoma guy personally. I run skinny tires and don’t bog it down with big tires and heavy bumpers and racks etc. I get 20-22 mpg just driving around.

I hear this a lot but honestly feel like 20+ isn't the norm, See below, that is real user data based on 15,000,000 miles of driving on a 2015 Tacoma, so I feel like I'm not super far off from what most people are seeing out of a Tacoma at 17mpg.

I bought my truck how it sits so I can't really comment on previous mileage, I might try to pull the roof rack and move the lightbar to my bumper and see if that helps, can't really do without the topper on long hunting trips with two teenagers and all of our gear. The vehicle was purchased as a hunting vehicle and I do hunt for months on end, this year starting in Aug and going through Nov., I've defiantly considered taking advantage of the crazy market on used vehicles right now and selling it to buy a DCLB with a topper so I can sleep in the back. Just not sure how much better a stock Taco will do compared to something like a Subaru, the Taco has 9.4" of factory ground clearance and a Subaru has 8.7".

 

[WRM]

Reckon some of them big ole Spinner Rims could generate enough
electricity to keep them batts charged?

Not around my house. Have to shoot em out.

Long distance trips seem to be the biggest weakness for EV so it seems weird to choose one for such a drive.

Well, no one told JoePa, I guess.

Course he rides in a limo that get 3-4 or flies a helo to his jet.

 

[WRM]

Everybody needs tow hooks and a ​

Wyeth-Scott Amsteel Power Puller​

It's a come along on steroids. Get a snatch block and you aren't likely to get a compact so stuck it won't extract it. Heck you prolly won't even need a snatch to get it out.

 

[dtrkyman]

Long distance trips seem to be the biggest weakness for EV so it seems weird to choose one for such a drive.

Field test, it failed!

 

[Justinb34]

I drive a chevy Silverado and wish I had a rig that was a little better on gas as well.

 

[307]

Field test, it failed!

It's a bit like taking a shotgun on an elk hunt and blaming the gun...

 

[nphunter]

I have an EV for daily driving and love it. Haven't had any issues taking it on roadtrips along the west coast. That being said, range anxiety is a reality for EVs as of now. As charging infrastructure increases, it will be less of a concern. Within a few years the total cost of ownership of EVs will be lower than ICE vehicles, so I'd imagine most everyone will transition at some point just due to cost.

For trips up in the mountains I still use an ICE vehicle and don't foresee using an EV until range is greatly increased OR charging infrastructure is readily available closer to trailheads/wilderness areas.

I looked into them but they are not practical at all in North East Oregon. Going anywhere out of the area just doesn't make sense, we recently made a bonsai trip to Montana for my wife and son to run in a Spartan, we drove about 500 miles one way on a Saturday, drove to the woods for the run, and then drove 500 miles back on Sunday morning. Driving from Eastern Oregon, through Northern Idaho into central Montana there is nowhere to charge, we could barely find a place to fuel up or eat along the way.

During hunting season we go to the woods, not a trailhead, last year I had to pack 10 extra gallons of fuel in my Tacoma just to make it back out to a gas station, that gas station was in McDerrmit Nevada, LOL another 3hrs to a town of more than a couple thousand people. We typically go to the woods and don't come out for days or even a week. I also hunt a lot in Idaho, I don't even have cell service for a week at a time there, and depending on where we are it's a couple of hour drive to the closest gas station.

Pattimusprime the below isn't necessarily directed at you but at everyone who thinks EVs are the answer;

It would be cool if EVs were practical but they are not, there is almost zero infrastructure that would support EV usage. It will cost hundreds of trillions of dollars just to get infrastructure anywhere near where it would be somewhat functional, that's not even talking rural towns, schools, hospitals, fire stations, etc.

Imagine the power output Walmart would need in order to charge all the vehicles that show up on the first of each month, our local Walmart holds 900 vehicles in the parking lot, a Tesla takes approx. 50kWh to charge the battery 1 time, that is 45.000kWh of electricity each time the lot is full. An hour to charge/shop so lets say the parking lot is full 5 times a day, holidays would be much more. So 225,000kWh of power just to charge customers' cars, OTECC charges 9.83 cents/kWh so that is about $22,050 worth of electricity that Walmart would use to charge cars each day. A Wind Turbine makes about 1.5-2MWh or 1500-2000kWh so in order to keep Walmarts customers happy and full of fuel/power they would need approx. 112 WTGs running somewhere behind Walmart to produce the amount of power they would need to charge a single day’s worth of cars. A single turbine costs roughly $2M, so roughly a $250,000.000 wind farm would need to be built (not including powerlines, substation, collection system, charging stations, tearing up and putting all the underground infrastructure to charge the cars, and repaving the lot, the list goes on and on) This is all cost just to supply 1 small town enough power to charge 900 Vehicles 1 time each day in 1 parking lot, not to mention the other 20K plus people that live there.

Please explain to me again how everyone in the US will be driving electric cars in the next few years? Who will be paying for all this infrastructure? How long will it take to build, how many wetlands, winter ranges, rivers, streams, fauna, and flora will be destroyed for the greater good so we can all travel up to a couple of hundred miles a day? How is this more environmentally friendly than the current infrastructure and fossil fuels? How about what will happen with the millions of cars on the road that need to be scrapped, all the trucks that deliver people's food, trains, farm equipment harvesting, tilling, delivering food, and ambulances that are transporting people. What will this new infrastructure look like? How will living around that much power constantly be for our health, where will all the lithium come from for all of these batteries?

It’s a pipe dream and anyone who believes it is practical or possible in the near future is smoking dope.

FYI, those above numbers are for a small Tesla, a Hummer EV has a 210kWh battery, so to charge that 1 time it would cost $20 in NE-OR, in CA paying CA Edison it would cost $59 or more depending on your Tier, still pretty cheap compared to current fuel prices, but the issue come with the masses. There just isn’t and will not be infrastructure to charge them even in a giant city with tons of people, imagine sitting at the gas station for hours or even days until you are allowed to fill up to continue on your way. What do you think will happen to electric prices once there is such a demand for it?

The people pushing this agenda are sheep and have no clue where their food and electricity come from, what happens when Dominos runs out of Pizza, everyone will be up shit creek with no clue how to paddle.

Rant Over! Sorry if I offended anyone.

 

[307]

I looked into them but they are not practical at all in North East Oregon. Going anywhere out of the area just doesn't make sense, we recently made a bonsai trip to Montana for my wife and son to run in a Spartan, we drove about 500 miles one way on a Saturday, drove to the woods for the run, and then drove 500 miles back on Sunday morning. Driving from Eastern Oregon, through Northern Idaho into central Montana there is nowhere to charge, we could barely find a place to fuel up or eat along the way.

During hunting season we go to the woods, not a trailhead, last year I had to pack 10 extra gallons of fuel in my Tacoma just to make it back out to a gas station, that gas station was in McDerrmit Nevada, LOL another 3hrs to a town of more than a couple thousand people. We typically go to the woods and don't come out for days or even a week. I also hunt a lot in Idaho, I don't even have cell service for a week at a time there, and depending on where we are it's a couple of hour drive to the closest gas station.

Pattimusprime the below isn't necessarily directed at you but at everyone who thinks EVs are the answer;

It would be cool if EVs were practical but they are not, there is almost zero infrastructure that would support EV usage. It will cost hundreds of trillions of dollars just to get infrastructure anywhere near where it would be somewhat functional, that's not even talking rural towns, schools, hospitals, fire stations, etc.

Imagine the power output Walmart would need in order to charge all the vehicles that show up on the first of each month, our local Walmart holds 900 vehicles in the parking lot, a Tesla takes approx. 50kWh to charge the battery 1 time, that is 45.000kWh of electricity each time the lot is full. An hour to charge/shop so lets say the parking lot is full 5 times a day, holidays would be much more. So 225,000kWh of power just to charge customers' cars, OTECC charges 9.83 cents/kWh so that is about $22,050 worth of electricity that Walmart would use to charge cars each day. A Wind Turbine makes about 1.5-2MWh or 1500-2000kWh so in order to keep Walmarts customers happy and full of fuel/power they would need approx. 112 WTGs running somewhere behind Walmart to produce the amount of power they would need to charge a single day’s worth of cars. A single turbine costs roughly $2M, so roughly a $250,000.000 wind farm would need to be built (not including powerlines, substation, collection system, charging stations, tearing up and putting all the underground infrastructure to charge the cars, and repaving the lot, the list goes on and on) This is all cost just to supply 1 small town enough power to charge 900 Vehicles 1 time each day in 1 parking lot, not to mention the other 20K plus people that live there.

Please explain to me again how everyone in the US will be driving electric cars in the next few years? Who will be paying for all this infrastructure? How long will it take to build, how many wetlands, winter ranges, rivers, streams, fauna, and flora will be destroyed for the greater good so we can all travel up to a couple of hundred miles a day? How is this more environmentally friendly than the current infrastructure and fossil fuels? How about what will happen with the millions of cars on the road that need to be scrapped, all the trucks that deliver people's food, trains, farm equipment harvesting, tilling, delivering food, and ambulances that are transporting people. What will this new infrastructure look like? How will living around that much power constantly be for our health, where will all the lithium come from for all of these batteries?

It’s a pipe dream and anyone who believes it is practical or possible in the near future is smoking dope.

FYI, those above numbers are for a small Tesla, a Hummer EV has a 210kWh battery, so to charge that 1 time it would cost $20 in NE-OR, in CA paying CA Edison it would cost $59 or more depending on your Tier, still pretty cheap compared to current fuel prices, but the issue come with the masses. There just isn’t and will not be infrastructure to charge them even in a giant city with tons of people, imagine sitting at the gas station for hours or even days until you are allowed to fill up to continue on your way. What do you think will happen to electric prices once there is such a demand for it?

The people pushing this agenda are sheep and have no clue how where their food and electricity come from, what happens when Dominos runs out of Pizza, everyone will be up shit creek with no clue how to paddle.

Rant Over! Sorry if I offended anyone.

Systems engineer? Electrical engineer? Any experience owning, operating, or with the infrastructure related to EV?

I have my doubts that you have any significant knowledge base from which to launch the rant above.

Also, nobody is saying EV is the answer to all situations for all people.

 

[parshal]

Also, nobody is saying EV is the answer to all situations for all people.

I'm not picking on your response so please don't take it that way.

What I keep hearing is Ford is going all electric in 10-15 years. I forget the exact timeframe but I was surprised how quick it was. I didn't hear them say "we're keeping some gas vehicles for rural folks". What I heard was "all electric". I do wish it was more transparent. I mean, logic does dictate that we can't be all electric country-wide in the next 20 years.

 

[jfs82]

I looked into them but they are not practical at all in North East Oregon. Going anywhere out of the area just doesn't make sense, we recently made a bonsai trip to Montana for my wife and son to run in a Spartan, we drove about 500 miles one way on a Saturday, drove to the woods for the run, and then drove 500 miles back on Sunday morning. Driving from Eastern Oregon, through Northern Idaho into central Montana there is nowhere to charge, we could barely find a place to fuel up or eat along the way.

During hunting season we go to the woods, not a trailhead, last year I had to pack 10 extra gallons of fuel in my Tacoma just to make it back out to a gas station, that gas station was in McDerrmit Nevada, LOL another 3hrs to a town of more than a couple thousand people. We typically go to the woods and don't come out for days or even a week. I also hunt a lot in Idaho, I don't even have cell service for a week at a time there, and depending on where we are it's a couple of hour drive to the closest gas station.

Pattimusprime the below isn't necessarily directed at you but at everyone who thinks EVs are the answer;

It would be cool if EVs were practical but they are not, there is almost zero infrastructure that would support EV usage. It will cost hundreds of trillions of dollars just to get infrastructure anywhere near where it would be somewhat functional, that's not even talking rural towns, schools, hospitals, fire stations, etc.

Imagine the power output Walmart would need in order to charge all the vehicles that show up on the first of each month, our local Walmart holds 900 vehicles in the parking lot, a Tesla takes approx. 50kWh to charge the battery 1 time, that is 45.000kWh of electricity each time the lot is full. An hour to charge/shop so lets say the parking lot is full 5 times a day, holidays would be much more. So 225,000kWh of power just to charge customers' cars, OTECC charges 9.83 cents/kWh so that is about $22,050 worth of electricity that Walmart would use to charge cars each day. A Wind Turbine makes about 1.5-2MWh or 1500-2000kWh so in order to keep Walmarts customers happy and full of fuel/power they would need approx. 112 WTGs running somewhere behind Walmart to produce the amount of power they would need to charge a single day’s worth of cars. A single turbine costs roughly $2M, so roughly a $250,000.000 wind farm would need to be built (not including powerlines, substation, collection system, charging stations, tearing up and putting all the underground infrastructure to charge the cars, and repaving the lot, the list goes on and on) This is all cost just to supply 1 small town enough power to charge 900 Vehicles 1 time each day in 1 parking lot, not to mention the other 20K plus people that live there.

Please explain to me again how everyone in the US will be driving electric cars in the next few years? Who will be paying for all this infrastructure? How long will it take to build, how many wetlands, winter ranges, rivers, streams, fauna, and flora will be destroyed for the greater good so we can all travel up to a couple of hundred miles a day? How is this more environmentally friendly than the current infrastructure and fossil fuels? How about what will happen with the millions of cars on the road that need to be scrapped, all the trucks that deliver people's food, trains, farm equipment harvesting, tilling, delivering food, and ambulances that are transporting people. What will this new infrastructure look like? How will living around that much power constantly be for our health, where will all the lithium come from for all of these batteries?

It’s a pipe dream and anyone who believes it is practical or possible in the near future is smoking dope.

FYI, those above numbers are for a small Tesla, a Hummer EV has a 210kWh battery, so to charge that 1 time it would cost $20 in NE-OR, in CA paying CA Edison it would cost $59 or more depending on your Tier, still pretty cheap compared to current fuel prices, but the issue come with the masses. There just isn’t and will not be infrastructure to charge them even in a giant city with tons of people, imagine sitting at the gas station for hours or even days until you are allowed to fill up to continue on your way. What do you think will happen to electric prices once there is such a demand for it?

The people pushing this agenda are sheep and have no clue where their food and electricity come from, what happens when Dominos runs out of Pizza, everyone will be up shit creek with no clue how to paddle.

Rant Over! Sorry if I offended anyone.

It's very clearly. not a thing everyone can currently manage for their lifestyle, but regarding your Walmart example, it's not nearly this difficult when tons of people have their 'gas station' on their roof and virtually never need to visit a supercharger. My dad, my uncle, several friends have Tesla's and only one of the 6 I'm thinking of don't have solar that chargers their cars, powers their homes and puts extra back in the grid when it's not winter time. It's not everyone that can do that for various reasons, but it takes a big chunk out of the needs for charging infrastructure.

 

[WRM]

What I keep hearing is Ford is going all electric in 10-15 years.

Mercedes-Benz says it will go all-electric by 2030, but with conditions. The German automaker says it will only sell electric vehicles “where market conditions allow”. They'll start by being electric only with all new vehicles in 2025. We'll see bout that.

I think the Secret Service already scooped the clearly seditious Rslider formerly known as nphunter.

 

[WRM]

My dad, my uncle, several friends have Tesla's and only one of the 6 I'm thinking of don't have solar that chargers their cars

Well thank God JoePa used the Defense Act to force panel production to charge a bunch of EVs. I can sleep better tonite.

 

[Kevin_t]

EV for commuting , save the SUV / Truck for trails mostly or long road trips or towing . Also , it saves a lot of miles on my off-road rig , which is actually harder to replace . The charging , from what I have seen is not that bad , mostly done at home . BTW Rivians look sick , seen a few . They are supposed to be building a more remote charging infrastructure . In a bind , you can actually us a 50 amp RV setup as a level 2 and there are adapters that take two 30 amp and make a 50 amp essentially . There are some apps that will help find charging and sometimes they point to a campground in the remote locations