GoHunt Price Increase

[pdjp1220]

Got Hunting Fool also, but not quite as advanced. But sometimes gives you easier perspective.

 

[MuleDeerMike]

Not all the game and fish websites are true odds from my understanding.

Then Go Hunt doesn't have those states true odds either. They pull all their data from each individual states fish and game website. They don't have access to any more data than any state publishes online for the public.

 

[Maverick1]

@wapitibob - Onx acquired and integrated TopRut, which they promptly ruined.....no?......GoHunt just increased their prices

Glad I use neither. (Perhaps there is an advantage to NOT being a member.....doing your own research, and avoiding the point creep and spot burning. Along with the tin foil hat gang that think data are used for acquiring hunting spots......)

 

[wapitibob]

@wapitibob - Onx acquired and integrated TopRut, which they promptly ruined.....no?......GoHunt just increased their prices

Glad I use neither. (Perhaps there is an advantage to NOT being a member.....doing your own research, and avoiding the point creep and spot burning. Along with the tin foil hat gang that think data are used for acquiring hunting spots......)

Onx kept toprut for a cpl years then dropped it and replaced with their own version which is horrible.

 

[wapitibob]

Then Go Hunt doesn't have those states true odds either. They pull all their data from each individual states fish and game website. They don't have access to any more data than any state publishes online for the public.

Actually they do, as did Toprut.
True odds in states like NM, UT, and AZ can never be duplicated because those states don't release their draw code, but Gohunt gets kind of close by running their own draw on the database. Those databases aren't published online, and neither are the applicants random number(s). Simply re running the database thru a random generator will change individual odds.
States like WY are easy to calculate as their draw is straight forward.
Worth mentioning again, all these odds are for a draw that has already taken place, and last years odds have no bearing on this years future odds. Among other things, you need to know the number of people applying at each point level.
OR is the most transparent draw we have. ODFW posts every application and their random number.

 

[MuleDeerMike]

Actually they do, as did Toprut.
True odds in states like NM, UT, and AZ can never be duplicated because those states don't release their draw code, but Gohunt gets kind of close by running their own draw on the database. Those databases aren't published online, and neither are the applicants random number(s). Simply re running the database thru a random generator will change individual odds.
States like WY are easy to calculate as their draw is straight forward.
Worth mentioning again, all these odds are for a draw that has already taken place, and last years odds have no bearing on this years future odds. Among other things, you need to know the number of people applying at each point level.
OR is the most transparent draw we have. ODFW posts every application and their random number.

Yep, as was stated, they don't have the true odds. They have a good guess tho I suppose? Maybe? Couldn't tell you and neither can they. Until the data is posted by the state or the code is made public, how would anyone know how accurate it actually is? I'm sure they can determine if X unit has better odds than Y but giving a solid number between the two would be pretty bold. WA doesn't post every app and their number in their draw odds like OR but the data is available on their website if you dig a little.

 

[chav0_12]

Then Go Hunt doesn't have those states true odds either. They pull all their data from each individual states fish and game website. They don't have access to any more data than any state publishes online for the public.

Nobody has true odds, the best anyone can do before the draw is offer simulations and possibilities. If everyone, and only them, apply for the exact same hunt again. Then you have to replace the people with points that were drawn. There are simulations, and past precedents but that’s all you can do to get an idea of what might happen. You go into a draw with points at the top end and you have a pretty good idea where you’ll be. You go in with middle of the road points and you might have a 30-50% chance. Nobody really knows what will happen, people can do things like apply for different hunts. Not apply at all. It’s all a guessing game no matter how you look at it.

 

[MuleDeerMike]

Nobody has true odds, the best anyone can do before the draw is offer simulations and possibilities. If everyone, and only them, apply for the exact same hunt again. Then you have to replace the people with points that were drawn. There are simulations, and past precedents but that’s all you can do to get an idea of what might happen. You go into a draw with points at the top end and you have a pretty good idea where you’ll be. You go in with middle of the road points and you might have a 30-50% chance. Nobody really knows what will happen, people can do things like apply for different hunts. Not apply at all. It’s all a guessing game no matter how you look at it.

Yes I know how it works and I understand what you're saying. But the statement of true odds here is only in reference to the previous seasons odds, as you've said. There is no 100% true data for the season you're applying for but there is best data and that will be used for the most informed guess you can make. The point is that Go Hunt doesn't possess anything more than what any other person can extrapolate themselves from a state agency website. And I question how accurate their "proprietary simulations" are for those other states considering they don't even know what frequency a "monthly giveaway" should occur at. GoHunt back in their hay day was very helpful. That would be 6, 7, 8 years ago. But with the amount of hunters using it now it seems like it only hurts people more than help especially when 100,000 guys are all looking at the exact same data applying for the exact same states. They don't take that variable into account for their projections because that would be probably impossible and without that you literally have no idea what your odds are when applying. Which makes it not helpful at best

 

[pacoalcracker]

you trust numbers from the Gubmint? largest groups of incompetent people going.

 

[wapitibob]

The point is that Go Hunt doesn't possess anything more than what any other person can extrapolate themselves from a state agency website.

If you can extrapolate from the website info, how many people with 15 points applied for WY Elk area 1 in the regular draw ?
That number is important if you're an applicant that had 15 in 2025 and will apply for the same area in 2026.