Fixed crawl problem- help a semi noob

[cofen380]

This question will probably demonstrate my lack of knowledge in this area. I’ve thought for a while now that my fixed crawl is probably a little longer than it needs to be based on hearing what other people are shooting and just by looking at how far down my fingers were, along with some other things, but I never measured it. Well I’ve been shooting almost a 2 3/4” crawl for, oh idk, a year and a half.

Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but that seems astronomical. I think I ended up there trying to avoid a super long point on, but at this point I have almost no doubt it’s behind some of my tuning issues.

I would love to hear some thoughts on what processes people have for tuning and ensuring a realistic point on for eastern whitetail. I’d like to avoid huge 12” gaps at shorter distance if I can, and if I can keep my current arrow setup that would be ideal. My primary goal is reducing my crawl and shooting a straight flying arrow. Someone point me in the right direction here. Below are my specs:

21” riser, long limbs
42lbs at my 31.5” draw
300 spine arrow cut to 32 1/4”
300 grains up front, 650 grains total weight
Current point on is about 15 yards


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[dlee56]

I like my point on around 25yds, is there a reason you want yours at 15?

With a 25yd point on your adjustment between 30 to 10 will be pretty minimal (baring any anomalies in your trajectory). That may bring your crawl up a bit. That being said a 31.5” draw may be a different animal entirely

 

[bigunit]

That does seem very long. Are you using 2 nock points so the arrow isn't slipping down the string? My fixed crawl is about half that for point on at 25. Can you shorten your arrows by much?

 

[cofen380]

I like my point on around 25yds, is there a reason you want yours at 15?

With a 25yd point on your adjustment between 30 to 10 will be pretty minimal (baring any anomalies in your trajectory). That may bring your crawl up a bit. That being said a 31.5” draw may be a different animal entirely

Mostly just to avoid having a big gap for close range shots that I’ll likely have, and have had on deer (8-12 yards). If I can play around with a shorter crawl and avoid that I should be ok I think


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[cofen380]

That does seem very long. Are you using 2 nock points so the arrow isn't slipping down the string? My fixed crawl is about half that for point on at 25. Can you shorten your arrows by much?

Yep I’m using 2 nocking points. I have a little bit of wiggle room in the arrow length, I just don’t have an arrow cutter so I’d have to take them somewhere to get cut


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[nevadabugle]

Where do you anchor? The higher your anchor, the smaller your gaps/crawl. Can you raise your anchor?

 

[cofen380]

Where do you anchor? The higher your anchor, the smaller your gaps/crawl. Can you raise your anchor?

Right, I thought about that too. I place the webbing of my hand between my thumb and pointer finger directly on my jaw so that it cradles that portion of my jaw. As comfortable as I’ve been with that anchor I could try higher. What would be the next highest anchor to try, generally speaking?


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[nevadabugle]

Right, I thought about that too. I place the webbing of my hand between my thumb and pointer finger directly on my jaw so that it cradles that portion of my jaw. As comfortable as I’ve been with that anchor I could try higher. What would be the next highest anchor to try, generally speaking?


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A good reference would be pointer finger in corner of mouth is a low anchor, middle finger moderate, ring finger high.

Face structure can really impact anchor points that will work.

 

[cofen380]

A good reference would be pointer finger in corner of mouth is a low anchor, middle finger moderate, ring finger high.

Face structure can really impact anchor points that will work.

Got it, appreciate the insight. That may be something I play with first after adjusting the crawl


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[nevadabugle]

Got it, appreciate the insight. That may be something I play with first after adjusting the crawl


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My face structure is such that I can only comfortably get to my middle finger. Higher than that for me just feels floaty and wierd. But I know some great shooters that anchor that way.

 

[cofen380]

My face structure is such that I can only comfortably get to my middle finger. Higher than that for me just feels floaty and wierd. But I know some great shooters that anchor that way.

As I’m just playing around with it in my living room, I can’t seem to find anything as secure feeling as what I have. I feel like that area of my hand just nestles into the corner of my jaw and feels very repeatable, but I’m gonna keep experimenting with it.


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[lelliott8]

You could try a longer arrow to get your crawl smaller. I know you didnt want to change arrows but the axis 260 spine comes in 34 and full length might be close to your current arrow. Longer arrow should mean closer point on without having to change your anchor.

 

[archp625]

I would agree with others. A 15-yard point on is short. I would do a 20 or 25. I like a 25-yard point on. I would say your anchor point is low. Almost like an Olympic shooter. I would do index or middle finger in corner of your mouth.

 

[Beendare]

IME, anything over about 1 1/4" crawl makes tuning almost impossible.

So Yes, you really want to get that crawl to a manageable distance. I have a 30 1/4" DL shooting a 31 3/8" arrow at 50#
Factors that lessen gap/crawl;
Higher anchor
longer arrow
lighter arrow
heavier poundage

That is a ridiculously heavy arrow with a massive amount of tip weight....man did you drink the Ashby Koolaid or what?- grin

If you go to a lighter arrow like 400's cut to 32", std insert with a 145g head- that puts you at about 440g and it will cut your crawl in half. Plus it will get you better accuracy on game. [ Fact; 2 blades on a good flying arrow are penetrating monsters- no need for massive FOC or arrow weight]

Raising your anchor is a winner but it feels strange at first. It took me about 500 shots to feel good with it but the smaller gaps and shorter crawls DO make me more accurate. I find a crawl of less than an inch doesn't affect my tune much. I can use the same spine with a short crawl like that- either under the nok for a longer PO...or crawl for shorter distances.

 

[cofen380]

I would agree with others. A 15-yard point on is short. I would do a 20 or 25. I like a 25-yard point on. I would say your anchor point is low. Almost like an Olympic shooter. I would do index or middle finger in corner of your mouth.

I’m about to do some experimenting in the yard with the crawl distance and see what kind of point on I can get. I’m going to try some different anchors, but the anchor I’ve been using has been so dang consistent


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[cofen380]

IME, anything over about 1 1/4" crawl makes tuning almost impossible.

So Yes, you really want to get that crawl to a manageable distance. I have a 30 1/4" DL shooting a 31 3/8" arrow at 50#
Factors that lessen gap/crawl;
Higher anchor
longer arrow
lighter arrow
heavier poundage

That is a ridiculously heavy arrow with a massive amount of tip weight....man did you drink the Ashby Koolaid or what?- grin

If you go to a lighter arrow like 400's cut to 32", std insert with a 145g head- that puts you at about 440g and it will cut your crawl in half. Plus it will get you better accuracy on game. [ Fact; 2 blades on a good flying arrow are penetrating monsters- no need for massive FOC or arrow weight]

Raising your anchor is a winner but it feels strange at first. It took me about 500 shots to feel good with it but the smaller gaps and shorter crawls DO make me more accurate. I find a crawl of less than an inch doesn't affect my tune much. I can use the same spine with a short crawl like that- either under the nok for a longer PO...or crawl for shorter distances.

Appreciate that info sir! Honestly I didn’t necessarily intend for such a heavy arrow, but the stainless insert/outsert system I have has the little rod that can be incrementally broken off to have a lighter insert, so I might try that to decrease my total weight. That would decrease my gaps too like you’re saying, which I would appreciate.

Probably not the best time to be messing around with all of this, but it sounds like a change needs to be made


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