Finally, some jail time.

[S-3 ranch]

They aren't banned in every state

All
50 U.S. states are members of the Interstate Wildlife Violator Compact (IWVC), an agreement through which they mutually honor each other's hunting, fishing, and trapping license suspensions and revocations.

How It Works

• Reciprocity in Suspensions: If a person's license or permit privileges are suspended or revoked in one member state for a wildlife violation, that individual is subject to suspension or revocation in all other member states.
• Data Sharing: Member states report wildlife violation convictions to other compact members and exchange violator data.
• Enforcement: This means that an individual cannot simply cross state lines to avoid the consequences of their illegal activities or to purchase a new license in another state.

 

[wind gypsy]

Total disregard to laws, regardless of the consequences. Criminals will be criminals.

Rokslide is a hunting forum/community. In this case, and staying on topic, a license revocation/license ban will have little effect on future poaching incidents. That’s all i’m saying.

I dont agree. People by nature will do what they think they can get away with and what they see demonstrated by others. Unfortunately a lot of people get away with breaking game laws. You think the 7 people in this story thought they were going to get sent to the clink and lose legal hunting privileges forever? If they thought there was a decent chance of these types of consequences I bet they would have at least reconsidered. Stories with demonstrated consequences like this one will absolutely make some less than bold poachers reconsider.

There will always be people who make decisions like they have nothing to lose but there will also be people who make decisions based on consequences. Discounting the effect of dissuading some bad actors because you'll never eliminate it all is fools logic. Like we shouldn't have laws at all..

 

[CorbLand]

Unfortunately they can still hunt with a bow, crossbow, or muzzleloader

Most of these convictions are not felonies. But some of the ones from the bigger interstate poaching rings were.

not necessarily, there are different types of felonies. I thought the same until the Studer sentencing, while he is now a felon he can still posses firearms because it was not a felony charge with a deadly weapon. He (wildlife charged felons) can still hunt on private game ranches where a license is not needed (high fence type), Indian reservations and the like. Studer did get a lifetime hunting ban, and 1 felony charge, but he can still legally hunt.... in a round about way.

You all are missing the point. I live in the US. The only valid reason I need to drive around the woods with a gun is because I can, as guaranteed to me by the Bill of Rights.

The post I quoted said that the “lifetime ban is effective because they will no longer have a valid reason to drive around the woods with a gun.” (not verbatim). One doesn’t need to have a hunting license and/or a tag to be able to drive around the woods with a gun.

 

[BBob]

Hopefully other states have or adopt something similar.

AZ does. They’ve been known to seize everything in the accused possession at the time of the violation.

 

[stalkingwolf]

All
50 U.S. states are members of the Interstate Wildlife Violator Compact (IWVC), an agreement through which they mutually honor each other's hunting, fishing, and trapping license suspensions and revocations.

How It Works

• Reciprocity in Suspensions: If a person's license or permit privileges are suspended or revoked in one member state for a wildlife violation, that individual is subject to suspension or revocation in all other member states.
• Data Sharing: Member states report wildlife violation convictions to other compact members and exchange violator data.
• Enforcement: This means that an individual cannot simply cross state lines to avoid the consequences of their illegal activities or to purchase a new license in another state.

We will see if it actually holds up. They will be able to hunt species that don't require a license, high fence ranches, etc. There are lots of loopholes around this plus looking at other convictions that tried to apply this some of them didn't last more than a few years and many got reduced after fines were paid and probation was served

 

[huntinfool84]

You all are missing the point. I live in the US. The only valid reason I need to drive around the woods with a gun is because I can, as guaranteed to me by the Bill of Rights.

The post I quoted said that the “lifetime ban is effective because they will no longer have a valid reason to drive around the woods with a gun.” (not verbatim). One doesn’t need to have a hunting license and/or a tag to be able to drive around the woods with a gun.

nope, I totally understand/understood what you were saying, just clarifying that even as a felon they can still own/shoot firearms because there are different types of felonies, some of which still allow firearm possession.

 

[bpurtz]

The reporter's video panned 12+ shoulder mounts, presumably in Zeko's house - 7 guys and 4 years of activity charged, but who knows how deep this went...

 

[bergie]

People will cheer for these regular guys getting jail time, but still defend their favorite influencer no matter what.

If this band of idiots would’ve simply put their kills on Instagram or made shitty YouTube videos about them, they would’ve got off of the slap on the wrist.

A lot of people on here need to read this carefully and actually think about it

 

[TSAMP]

My responses have been in reference to poaching. I can’t get in the mind of a poacher, nor think like one so can’t answer that question. Maybe they should think about their job and family before poaching? Seems like a simple concept, but again, I can’t relate to a poacher.

I’m far from perfect, but can say poaching has never crossed my mind in 50+ years in the field.

Though the straight and narrow may seem dull, it will keep you out of trouble.

Sounds like somthen a poacher would say.

Jk

 

[Pacific_Fork]

I am not going to get into the good and bad of lifetime bans but I believe they are all felons now so they can’t possess a firearm. Other than that, the only valid reason I need to drive around the woods with a gun is because I can.

Ok, your personal right is not the point here. But glad you needed to express yourself I guess lol.

Felons check, no hunting license, check. Out in the woods in the fall with a rifle and binos - arrested for these guys.

 

[S-3 ranch]

We will see if it actually holds up. They will be able to hunt species that don't require a license, high fence ranches, etc. There are lots of loopholes around this plus looking at other convictions that tried to apply this some of them didn't last more than a few years and many got reduced after fines were paid and probation was served

lol you are very misinformed, I don’t know of any state that would allow that !
Except for maybe hunting rats or something like iguanas
Texas you must have a hunting license , read the statute on the banned hunting rights

 

[LoH]

Wade Lemon. Utah’s finest.

I would argue even more egregious than these hoodlums, because of pervasive, wanton animal cruelty on top of poaching/wildlife violations.

“According to the Attorney General’s report, an informant told the investigator that “Wade Lemon is the most corrupt person he has known,” adding that “breaking the law was like a drug to Wade Lemon and he was addicted.” Another confidential informant who worked with Lemon said he conducted dozens of canned hunts over the years.“

Slap on the wrist.

Still doing business.

SMH.

 

[Pacific_Fork]

Then why does poaching continue?

Different for every poacher. Was just talking about this with some warden friends. There’s different categories, those who kill a trophy over the line, or at night, take everything, etc because they just can’t help themselves when it comes to big antlers. They have the tag, but broke other laws. Then there’s thrill killers who are leaving everything to waste and many times does, cows, etc. There’s a real issue right now south of me of someone(s) killing every moose they see and letting them lay. They are insane and dangerous. There’s some people in between both categories as well.

Unfortunately I’ve known poachers in the first category. Kind of like the keep your enemies close kind of relationship. I’ve seen some get away with it and some caught. Those who got caught didn’t hunt or poach for the time they were on time out.

And what would you prefer the judge here to do? Give them a lifetime license instead? Kidding but really…. A lifetime ban has to come with all other sentences becuse if they didn’t more people (and you!) would be like wtf judge why not a lifetime ban??!! lol

 

[CorbLand]

lol you are very misinformed, I don’t know of any state that would allow that !
Except for maybe hunting rats or something like iguanas
Texas you must have a hunting license , read the statute on the banned hunting rights

Utah doesn’t require a hunting license for coyotes and other non regulated species.(for residents) You can shoot a lot of stuff in Utah without a license.

 

[stalkingwolf]

lol you are very misinformed, I don’t know of any state that would allow that !
Except for maybe hunting rats or something like iguanas
Texas you must have a hunting license , read the statute on the banned hunting rights

You should probably read some more states regs before you call people misinformed

 

[S-3 ranch]

Utah doesn’t require a hunting license for coyotes and other non regulated species.(for residents) You can shoot a lot of stuff in Utah without a license.

Especially a marriage license
I’m very unfamiliar with Utard hunting laws, but it sounds like it’s full of BSC hunters

 

[stalkingwolf]

You can hunt buffalo here in Colorado without a license. You can also hunt high fence elk as they aren't considered a game animal. Lots of animals in lots of states you can hunt without a license.

 

[CorbLand]

Especially a marriage license
I’m very unfamiliar with Utard hunting laws, but it sounds like it’s full of BSC hunters

Oh, a polygamy joke about Utah? Haven’t heard one of those in the last hour.

Not sure what a BSC Hunter is.

You said you weren’t aware of a state that would allow people to shoot things without a license. The person that you quoted is correct. Many western states have non regulated species that do not require a hunting license to hunt.

 

[minas stiris]

Too bad they don't do this to all of them (MuleyFreak, Gritty, Lampers, Grey Light, Adam Greentree, etc.etc.)

I bet this will send a message to the rest of them.

 

[stalkingwolf]

Oh, a polygamy joke about Utah? Haven’t heard one of those in the last hour.

Not sure what a BSC Hunter is.

You said you weren’t aware of a state that would allow people to shoot things without a license. The person that you quoted is correct. Many western states have non regulated species that do not require a hunting license to hunt.

Those that can't debate without facts or knowledge resort to name calling and bad jokes liberalism 101