Female Grizzly Bear #399 Killed

[Dos Perros]

I don't think they're being 'managed by emotion.' In the spirit of capitalism law firms have figured out they can make money suing the federal government.

 

[go_deep]

I don't think they're being 'managed by emotion.' In the spirit of capitalism law firms have figured out they can make money suing the federal government.

They are being managed by emotion, and the people with the deepest pockets with the most time on their hands. It's a combination of the two.

 

[Dos Perros]

They are being managed by emotion, and the people with the deepest pockets with the most time on their hands. It's a combination of the two.

Evidence?

 

[go_deep]

Evidence?

Read what the engaged species act is, then read what the parameters that biologists and scientists came up with for grizzly bears to get to, to be delisted, and we've surpassed those parameters years ago.
The population is larger than ever intended, the surface area they cover is larger than originally intended, the densities per square mile are higher than originally intended, all by large amounts mind you.
What is the bases to sue?
At the Working Game and Fish meeting last February, there were more out of state anti groups that spoke out against trapping, and all predator hunting than there were in state people for or against anything, videos are on the website to watch. Out of state groups that don't have to suffer the recourse of a decision are pushing hard for no management on all predators, period, that is their end goal, and they publicly spoke about it at those meetings that I referred to earlier.

 

[RockAndSage]

You will not read any journal written by mountain men or fur trappers in the Rockies that doesn't include at least one member of a party being attacked by a grizzly. They are not the same as other predators.

 

[Dos Perros]

Read what the engaged species act is, then read what the parameters that biologists and scientists came up with for grizzly bears to get to, to be delisted, and we've surpassed those parameters years ago. AGREED
The population is larger than ever intended, the surface area they cover is larger than originally intended, the densities per square mile are higher than originally intended, all by large amounts mind you. AGREED
What is the bases to sue? MONEY
At the Working Game and Fish meeting last February, there were more out of state anti groups that spoke out against trapping, and all predator hunting than there were in state people for or against anything, videos are on the website to watch. Out of state groups that don't have to suffer the recourse of a decision are pushing hard for no management on all predators, period, that is their end goal, and they publicly spoke about it at those meetings that I referred to earlier. GAME AND FISH ARE NOT MANAGING GRIZZLY BEARS

 

[5MilesBack]

Evidence?

Uhhh.....simple deductive reasoning from what is actually happening these days.

 

[go_deep]

@Dos Perros
Your right they don't, but the people and the groups that come, still talk about it at the game and fish meetings, I don't care who manages them, that's their recorded public statement. I will say, some comments are generic to all predators, all bears, but you don't need to be real intelligent to figure out they also mean grizzlies too.
I provided recorded facts, you don't have to like it, but that's a fact.

 

[Dos Perros]

@Dos Perros
Your right they don't, but the people and the groups that come, still talk about it at the game and fish meetings, I don't care who manages them, that's their recorded public statement. I will say, some comments are generic to all predators, all bears, but you don't need to be real intelligent to figure out they also mean grizzlies too.
I provided recorded facts, you don't have to like it, but that's a fact.

You've provided some facts that don't ever get to any sort of logical conclusion that "grizzly bears are managed by emotion."

 

[go_deep]

You've provided some facts that don't ever get to any sort of logical conclusion that "grizzly bears are managed by emotion."

I'm not going to be sarcastic, crying is an emotion, if your crying while giving testimony, that's all I need to see.
When CEO's making fat bank from anti groups from the East and West Coast show up in opposition, there's your money influence.

 

[5MilesBack]

You've provided some facts that don't ever get to any sort of logical conclusion that "grizzly bears are managed by emotion."

That's because you laughed at "deductive reasoning" above. Do some deductive reasoning with what the animal rights groups, the federal government, and then the wildlife agencies already have given us in regards to wolves, bears, cats, etc; and it's real easy to see that it's management by emotion. The other sure fire way is just recognize that it's liberal groups forcing all this, and ALL of their agenda's are out of emotion and/or lack of simple logic and deductive reasoning.

 

[treydfoster]

Bears are cool. Glad people got to see that one alot. 28 years is a long time to be kickin around.

 

[mt terry d]

Public input is pretty irrelevant when it comes to F&G and FS. It's
a legal formality, nothing more.

Those in charge will do whateverthehell they want to do, which is usually
whatever makes their jobs easier and more secure.
They are not accountable.

 

[amassi]

D

 

[mike.adams.467]

Evidence?

The state management plan goals have been exceeded by 2-3 fold in the number of grizzlies necessary to remove them from the ESA. When the states tried to hold a controlled hunt a few years ago, it was stopped by the environmental groups (one tag for Idaho, and the hunt was stopped). The Idaho wolf recovery goal was 15 breeding pairs. Approximately 8 years ago the Idaho wolf population had reached 150 breeding pairs, and environmental groups still want to limit wolf harvests. It goes on and on. It isn't rocket science.....

 

[mike.adams.467]

You've provided some facts that don't ever get to any sort of logical conclusion that "grizzly bears are managed by emotion."

How about this one, Kansas guy. Idaho no longer allows trapping for wolves until late December, because some environmental group convinced a liberal judge that this trapping presents a danger to the grizzly bears. According to the IDFG Director (the big guy), there has never been an instance of a grizzly bear being caught in a wolf trap.

The move afoot to introduce grizzlies into their "traditional ranges" includes Washington and central Idaho, but conveniently excludes California, the Golden Bear State. You aren't here - you don't get it.

 

[mike.adams.467]

This is an excerpt from one of the grizzly lover sites. No emotion here……

 

[BBob]

"I hope everyone is taking care of their mental health. This loss is incredibly painful."
^^^ Weak ass everybody gets a trophy culture

 

[Smithb9841]

This is an excerpt from one of the grizzly lover sites. No emotion here……

If that causes someone heartache I would hate to see how they handle something actually bad happening to them not just a wild animal, FFS. This victim mentality and looking for reasons to be upset is a mental defect

 

[mt terry d]

The state management plan goals have been exceeded by 2-3 fold in the number of grizzlies necessary to remove them from the ESA. When the states tried to hold a controlled hunt a few years ago, it was stopped by the environmental groups (one tag for Idaho, and the hunt was stopped). The Idaho wolf recovery goal was 15 breeding pairs. Approximately 8 years ago the Idaho wolf population had reached 150 breeding pairs, and environmental groups still want to limit wolf harvests. It goes on and on. It isn't rocket science.....

Yes.

Those were their ( state wildlife managers) "stated" goals. Their actual goals however........

Kinda proves my previous point.