EE quilt

[wildbill]

Anyone running the 20* apex quilt From EE ,interested in your opinion on temp rating if it’s on are not. Thanks Billy

 

[BRTreedogs]

I would do some searching on here.
And compare the fill weight across the manufacturer's vs there rating.
I wasn't happy with ee at all.
But if your stuck on them I'd go al least 10 degree colder then you think you need.

 

[Trial153]

I have a 20 degree Apex with the Synthetic insulation. I would say its fairly close to being correctly rated.

 

[wildbill]

I’m admittedly a cold sleeper, use one of their 850 down quilts about 5 years ago in north ga. Mountains it was rated for 20* the temps were in the low 20’s to upper teens and froze my ass off. I know they have upped their fill weights just didn’t know if there synthetic rating was more accurate. Have a 20* slick bag but was trying to find a lighter weight synthetic option

 

[sneaky]

I would do some searching on here.
And compare the fill weight across the manufacturer's vs there rating.
I wasn't happy with ee at all.
But if your stuck on them I'd go al least 10 degree colder then you think you need.

He's not talking about a down fill, and 99% of all Apex quilts use the same weight Apex in their for temperature ratings. You guys keep beating that dead horse on fill weights with EE when they changed that over a year ago.

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[sneaky]

I’m admittedly a cold sleeper, use one of their 850 down quilts about 5 years ago in north ga. Mountains it was rated for 20* the temps were in the low 20’s to upper teens and froze my ass off. I know they have upped their fill weights just didn’t know if there synthetic rating was more accurate. Have a 20* slick bag but was trying to find a lighter weight synthetic option

A 20deg slick and a 20deg EE, or any other manufacturer's 20deg Apex quilt are going to use the same oz per yard Apex. It'll come down to the cut and the shell material for weight savings. 20 degrees in a humid environment is always going to feel colder than 20deg in a dry cold environment. Humidity cuts to the bone.

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[BRTreedogs]

He's not talking about a down fill, and 99% of all Apex quilts use the same weight Apex in their for temperature ratings. You guys keep beating that dead horse on fill weights with EE when they changed that over a year ago.

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Weather they starting adding more fill or not they charged me almost $500 and straight told me to stick it. That's a crappy company ether way.

Theres no changing the fact I feel like they miss lead me and stole my money with a product that wasn't rated correctly.
And from here on out I'm going to advise people and cost them every sale I can. There has to be consequences for miss leading customers and not being willing to help them. That's kind of the whole point of good customer service.
It not that the product was off. It's the fact they wouldn't help at all.

 

[Desk Jockey]

Anyone running the 20* apex quilt From EE ,interested in your opinion on temp rating if it’s on are not. Thanks Billy

I have a 30 degree quilt in apex. I would say it is true to rating. I took it into the mid 20s with some layer in sleeping bag mode (I have the convert model).

I bought the long Xwide version based on the measurements on their site. It is not terribly compressible relative to a similarly rated sleeping bag and a tad heavier in final form. It turns out that the measurements were for the unfilled blank and the filled version was shorter and narrower. I emailed them and we went back and forth. They were quite responsive but ultimately the bottom line is my 84” quilt is about 79” long unless you stretch it to max length like a bow string. Chop of another 4-6” for the convert design (the foot box closes via a drawstring) and the fact that it is heavier and bulkier than I hoped and not as long or wide as I expected.

I won’t say my EE experience was a disaster, like some with down fill gripes, but I wasn’t as happy with the final product as I might have hoped to be and I might have gone a different direction if I were doing it again.

 

[wildbill]

Didn’t mean to stir up a hornets nest. So going on the premise that all of the apex insulation is relatively the same per weight I just need to add probably about 10* to the rating due to the fact that I’m a cold sleeper. Had also looked at the nanutuk products will do more research,Thanks again

 

[BRTreedogs]

Didn’t mean to stir up a hornets nest. So going on the premise that all of the apex insulation is relatively the same per weight I just need to add probably about 10* to the rating due to the fact that I’m a cold sleeper. Had also looked at the nanutuk products will do more research,Thanks again

Check out Vaim and Bandit.
I think if I wanted a synth lower cost quilt I'd go Vaim. I'd rather support a smaller hunting based company.

 

[Where's Bruce?]

Something often overlooked is that the design of current EE quilts is far superior to their models from a decade ago. That being said, my 30*, 20* & 10* EE quilts don't get packed often, I take a 0* and vent it accordingly. With a quilt you'll never be "too warm" cuz you can stick a foot out or fold down to your belly button but you cannot make a quilt warmer so it's far better to get one rated for lower temps. I have a -10* Conundrum with 6oz Hoodlum coming.

 

[gfreidy]

EE is not hunting friendly? Love my down quilt and I was thinking of an apex lined one to pair with it. A 50 degree apex at 10 oz combined with a 20 degree quilt is apparently comparable to a 0 degree.

 

[BRTreedogs]

EE is not hunting friendly? Love my down quilt and I was thinking of an apex lined one to pair with it. A 50 degree apex at 10 oz combined with a 20 degree quilt is apparently comparable to a 0 degree.

I never said they weren't hunter friendly I said Vsim is hunter based.

I wouldn't say they are not hunter friendly, I've seen a few things on there page.
But there definitely not designing hunting specific things, promoting themselves as a hunting company, and I don't think there are a 2% for hunting contributor.

 

[ljalberta]

Adding at least 10*F is a good idea in general when it comes to cold sleepers or anyone really, if you're planning on using the bag near the rated temperature on any sort of usual basis. It's important to remember, the number typically used is the the lower limit rating. This is based off having sufficient head insulation, wearing a full base layer, and a sleeping pad of a value of at least R5 (I believe). Take away any of these aspects and you'll generally be cold. Further, this is not a comfort rating, this is the rating that an average male of 25 years can sleep 8 hours straight in a curled position without waking up.

Typically if you're older than 25, you're going to sleep colder. It's unlikely you'll be sleeping in a curled position on any type of backpacking sleeping pad, and again, it's possible to sleep when cold, but it's not exactly comfortable.

I have a few Down EE Quilts, but no Apex ones to specifically speak to.

 

[wildbill]

What about the kifaru body bag or quilt roughly the same as a 20* slick but save almost a pound. The rhino skin is definitely tough stuff and only about 60 bucks more than EE. It’s a early August hunt so a 30* would probably be enough but if temps dip would sleep in puffy jacket and pants

 

[Desk Jockey]

What about the kifaru body bag or quilt roughly the same as a 20* slick but save almost a pound. The rhino skin is definitely tough stuff and only about 60 bucks more than EE. It’s a early August hunt so a 30* would probably be enough but if temps dip would sleep in puffy jacket and pants

I am a hot sleeper so nothing to offer there. 20* slick bag was my number 2 pick. If the body bag had been an option, I would have gone that route. I have had my woobie for a few years and dozens of trips. It is going strong.

 

[nickstone]

I have both a 20 slick bag and Lost Park Parka from Kifaru. Both are top quality, if the body bag or quilt are in spec with what you are looking for I wouldn't hesitate to get it. A buddy that I hunt with has a Viam quilt and also speaks very highly of it.

I previously owned an EE down quilt that was under filled. I offered to pay to have EE add more fill, and was denied. A short time later they started increasing their fill by I believe 25 or 30%.

I'll never buy anything from them, people can accuse me of beating a dead horse all they want.

There are many many other people who had negative experiences with them and all kinds of internet forums.

 

[mtwarden]

I have the EE 20 Apex; in my opinion it's much closer to a 10 degree quilt

I have a MLD 28 degree Apex quilt that uses 5 oz Apex and have used it comfortably to 20 degrees; the EE 20 uses 8 oz Apex and is much warmer-I've had it down to the teens a couple of times w/o any issue

I think this quilt is definitely under-rated, which is not a bad thing

 

[tdhanses]

I never said they weren't hunter friendly I said Vsim is hunter based.

I wouldn't say they are not hunter friendly, I've seen a few things on there page.
But there definitely not designing hunting specific things, promoting themselves as a hunting company, and I don't think there are a 2% for hunting contributor.

Not sure if they still are but I know that EE was a Rokslide sponsor, Viam has never been to my knowledge.

 

[Shraggs]

don't have the apex, but 20 degree 950T revelation. bought this with the 10% over fill standard, not the current 30% using now. I'm cold sleeper, and feel it is true to rating. in the low 30s no problem, and at 28 one night in my hammock just used medium base layers and was good.