Easton Injections With VAP Outsert

[Rent Outdoor Gear]

It's not an Injexion .330 shaft or the insert would be gold. I don't believe this would happen with them or I would have seen it by now. I have yet to so much as damage a shaft let alone bust one in half.

 

[Jared Bloomgren]

It's not an Injexion .330 shaft or the insert would be gold. I don't believe this would happen with them or I would have seen it by now. I have yet to so much as damage a shaft let alone bust one in half.

Those pics were from friend's VAP's with critters but same type of concept but maybe not as tough as the gold Penetrator II's. But.....

This is what quite a few of my gold Penetrator II's did with making contact with hard material. I like to go out shooting with Judo tips or blunts. Can't do that without bending my gold Penetrator II's. Bent a couple with pass throughs with a target and hitting small rocks causing this bend in the picture. Had a much more extreme bend from an angled shot on plywood. I will have to find that destroyed shaft for a pic.

Not for me. Glad you have had better results Darin.

 

[Jared Bloomgren]

Here are a couple others that I dug out of my box. The two are not as severe of a bend but enough to cause me to rethink my choice. I shouldn't have to worry about bending an insert/outsert when I am out shooting gophers with blunts. I had heated a few and removed them but the end of the shaft still needed trimming due to stress fractures in the shaft. Hence the reason I just cut them off and started over and installed the deep six inserts.

 

[Evan Williams]

Colton,

The biggest issue I can see is that the 330 spine is already going to be pushing it for what you need at your DL on that turbo. Then when you add the ### of the VAP insert its going to weaken you even more. Just my thoughts.

 

[Rent Outdoor Gear]

Here are a couple others that I dug out of my box. The two are not as severe of a bend but enough to cause me to rethink my choice. I shouldn't have to worry about bending an insert/outsert when I am out shooting gophers with blunts. I had heated a few and removed them but the end of the shaft still needed trimming due to stress fractures in the shaft. Hence the reason I just cut them off and started over and installed the deep six inserts.

Yeah - those are pretty severely bent. I don't shoot stumps on purpose with $15 arrows. However, I have bent plenty of the VAP inserts - just never as severely as your photos. Mine end up with a slight wobble (too much for a fixed blade broadhead) after going through an animal usually. I've never had one bend to the point it damaged the shaft or would have affected penetration.

On the contrary - I have ruined many shafts with the D6 inserts because the end mushroomed or split out when the end of the shaft wasn't supported. I don't mind replacing $2.50 inserts as much as a $15 arrow + fletch time.

Your results do concern me a bit though - not sure what I might see on an angled shoulder blade... Might have to do a little testing on the real thing next critter I take. Thanks for posting Jared.

Coop

 

[str_8tup]

I would think the newest ones they just came out with wouldn't bend since they are Stainless steel. Should be that much stronger!

 

[Rick Leathley]

Here are a couple others that I dug out of my box. The two are not as severe of a bend but enough to cause me to rethink my choice. I shouldn't have to worry about bending an insert/outsert when I am out shooting gophers with blunts. I had heated a few and removed them but the end of the shaft still needed trimming due to stress fractures in the shaft. Hence the reason I just cut them off and started over and installed the deep six inserts.

I have bent a few of the 92 grain SS outserts as well. I have also had a few arrows split where the outsert meets the shaft from an an angled impact. I am going to try the AroeOutsert on my next arrow order, But to be honest I do not think any setup is going to survive a hard impact. I shoot a 492 gr arrow 311FPS that's a lot of KE and momentum.

 

[Jared Bloomgren]

Agreed! The set-up you shoot is going to make a difference for sure! The more momentum or KE you are using will cause them to bend more as well. It will be different for each shooter.

 

[Highcountry_Hellrazor]

Colton,

The biggest issue I can see is that the 330 spine is already going to be pushing it for what you need at your DL on that turbo. Then when you add the ### of the VAP insert its going to weaken you even more. Just my thoughts.

Yea man I agree. Just had a few laying around the house, and was going to see what people's thoughts were on outserts. Going to stick with 300's for sure.

 

[str_8tup]

I also think the Insert/Outsert would be indestructible with the AC Injexion. I have intentionally tried to bend or break a few of the AC's i'm shooting and the only way i've broken them is by swinging them into my rock steps outside on the 90 degree part of the rocks. When I was framing up my basement I also swung one on the edge of a 2x4 and didn't break it or bend it. They are crazy tough. I bet the carbon injexion wouldn't take that kind of abuse for sure!

 

[justin davis]

Anyone ever try the firenock outsert?

 

[kyle1112]

You guys should look at the clean shot archery hybrid inserts, way better design than the vap outserts and completely indexable. The customer service is top notch and the quality in the product is second to none! I haven't started shooting them yet mostly because I haven't been able to find time to knock out the d6 inserts in my injexions but my buddy shoots them in his BEA deep impacts and has had zero issue with what you guys have experienced with the vaps...I will be going with them as soon as I get my inserts out

http://www.clean-shot.com/165-inserts-overview

 

[jmez]

Just ordered a set of the clean-shot outserts. I'll give them a try and see what I think. I had a few bending issue with the Penetrator II outserts but only when I missed target and hit something hard. I live on a rock on the side of a hill so if I miss I usually destroy arrow and all.

 

[kyle1112]

Should let them know I sent you! You'll love them I almost promise! Not to mention no need for the d6 broadheads...

 

[cuerro viejo]

Anyone ever try the firenock outsert?

I've been shooting them for three years now with zero issue. I shoot black eagle deep impacts though.

One of if not the toughest arrows I've shot. Now the nocks that's a different story. Nocks are very brittle

 

[ontarget7]

Have not had any luck with outserts staying true. Fire nocks are the best option but still don't stay as true as standard inserts

 

[KMD]

Just ordered a set of the clean-shot outserts. I'll give them a try and see what I think. I had a few bending issue with the Penetrator II outserts but only when I missed target and hit something hard. I live on a rock on the side of a hill so if I miss I usually destroy arrow and all.

These look good enough to try.
I spoke at length with Jerry @ South Shore archery about using outserts with D6 arrows. He mentioned that he will build whatever combo, but simply cannot guarantee that a d6 shaft/outsert combo will spin true...

Wound up ordering 1/2 doz. BEA Deep Impact 300 (.001) shafts w/wraps & Blazers, cut to size & no insert. Have a 6pk of Clean Shot Outserts to install myself. Hoping for the best!

Thanks for the info, looks like a neat-o product...

 

[jmez]

I had zero issues with the VAP Penetrator II's not spinning true. I spin all my arrows, regularly.

 

[Juan_ID]

I have been using the vap stainless outserts since last spring and haven't had any issues with them. I have missed a couple 3d targets and smashed into rocks and not had the outsert bend only snap the shaft. I tried some gold tips with their aluminum outsert and had those spinning crappily in short time. I personally wouldn't run an outsert that wasn't stainless, but that's just me. I can be a little anal about my arrows at times too and never had any issues with them not spinning true.

 

[KMD]

I had zero issues with the VAP Penetrator II's not spinning true. I spin all my arrows, regularly.

Should have been more clear, sorry!
He didn't say it was impossible, just that it took a bit more effort than with standard inserts, due to sloppy tolerances/fitment. To the point that it just wasn't feasible to offer his "spin true" guarantee. He did say that a home/hobbyist arrow builder could likely assemble them with the utmost care and get them true. But, from a business standpoint, it was just too much of a PITA to deal with trying to get every outsert/arrow combo to spin true. Therefore, no "spin true" guarantee on custom fit outserts...

As a consumer, I respect that level of candor from a vendor!