Easton Injections With VAP Outsert

[jmez]

Update on the Clean Shot outserts. I've been using them a week and I don't like them. A lot of issues. Try not to be overly critical but these plain don't work.

They are hard to get seated against the shaft. Because of how they work they want to pull away from the end of the arrow when you tighten them. You really have to pull down on them with one hand as you tighten with the other and you will most always end up with a gap between the outsert and arrow.

They are hard to get tight enough. I tightened them as tight as I could get them until I could no longer hold the shaft from spinning. I had two pull out in a Glen Del buck and had two more that popped out about 1/4 inch as they were sticking through a target.

They bend easily. I have bent 6 of them in a week. First one I shot through a target and the outsert bent. That one didn't bother me, I usually bend my outserts when I miss. The other five have bent simply shooting into a bag target. I have yet to bend one of the VAP's in just a bag target.

Anyone want to try them I'll sell 6 for $10 tyd. Maybe someone else will have better luck.

 

[kyle1112]

I'll take them send me a pm with your info and I'll paypal gift you and get you my info

 

[KMD]

Thanks for the update, jmez!

Got 1/2 doz D6 arrows to try, and CleanShots to go with. Experienced the same as you, had to really hold the outsert down into the shaft while tightening the screw to get a good bite.
The directions say to chamfer the inside of the shaft and clean with 91% alcohol. I did clean alot of carbon out with the alcohol, but did not chamfer.
Don't know if the tiny gap between outsert/shaft is going to be a problem? It doesn't appear to be any bigger than the gap between BH/outsert?

Anyhoo, time to shoot them into a BLOCK target for a week or so, and see how these hold up.

 

[jmez]

Make sure you get them tight. First two I shot into block type target pulled out in the target and that was with FP's on them.

 

[justin davis]

I've been using the VPA outsert in the injections. It has a footer. Very tough and works well so far. 50 grains up front is nice too!!

 

[jmez]

I emailed VPA about those. They didn't have any for the FMJ and he said they may make a limited run but availability could be an issue and they also were $$$$. I understand the cost issue as they are basically a special production item. No Limit Archery was supposed to be coming out with a similar system but they can't seem to get them produced. Introduced at ATA with supposed April release which then turned to June which then turned to late summer.............................

The Penetrator II's are still the best option I've found.

 

[KMD]

OK, shot about 30 of these new arrows.
Sho' nuff, jmez called it and I lost one outsert in the BLOCK. Truth be told, I stopped and checked the other two outserts and they did need to be tightened up quite a bit. Guess I was scared to "gorilla grip" that little Hex key when originally tightening them? Anyhoo, I'll blame that first one on ME, since the other two did need snuggin' up after a few shots.

Will keep track of this. If it happens with any regularity, not gonna be happy. Thinking ahead, might put a dab of blue Loctite on the oustert screw & see if that doesn't nip this in the butt?

Oh yeah, compared to my 525gr FMJ telephone poles, these DEA D6 arrows fly FLAT! I can see a 30yd top pin in my future...

 

[KMD]

2 more sessions with the outserts snugged up, and they are staying put & spinning true.

 

[kyle1112]

Kmd if you ever find yourself having an issue with the clean shots, call them and I assure you that they will take care of you the very best they can! Larry and Sheri are top knotch and stand behind their product 100%

 

[justin davis]

I emailed VPA about those. They didn't have any for the FMJ and he said they may make a limited run but availability could be an issue and they also were $$$$. I understand the cost issue as they are basically a special production item. No Limit Archery was supposed to be coming out with a similar system but they can't seem to get them produced. Introduced at ATA with supposed April release which then turned to June which then turned to late summer.............................

The Penetrator II's are still the best option I've found.

Yea it was a speacial run deal. The owner mentioned he is gonna try to make them for cheaper price. But wanted to see how the demand.

The thing with the VPA is yes they are pricey but they are least likely to bend out of all the outserts. Know a guy who tested all the outserts hard. He found the VAP to bend the most, Firenocks occasionally, but never had a
VPA bend.

He recommended them to me.

So far they have worked great.

 

[KMD]

Another 150 arrows with the Clean Shot outserts into a Rinehart 18-1.
No pullouts anymore, and arrows still spinning true...

Would like to try out those VPA outserts, if/when they do another run.

 

[sneaky]

Darin Cooper has some commentary on this site which you can probably locate through the search function, but based on what I have read he really likes the VAP/Injexion combination. I have been playing with both the VAP outserts and aeroinserts (have not shot either). The VAP's are longer/less supported/more prone to bending and 20 grs. heavier, but I like the alignment mechanism (internal post) better. The Aeroserts are a great idea, but the ID varies a lot from unit to unit (you can experience from sloopy to really tighth fit on any given shaft through a dozen outserts), which I think will cause problems when it comes to getting BH's to spin. Tilzbow alluded to this above.

I don't think its the ID if the outserts that's off, Dorge is OCD about his gear. Most likely shaft variations as the only thing they truly control is the ID on the shafts. OD is often the culprit.

 

[sneaky]

I tested the Penetrator II's (gold ones) on my Carbon Injexions and didn't like how they bent when shooting something at an angle. Should see what an angled shot through plywood did to it! It led me to wonder what happens to my penetration and how my KE is robbed when I lose that energy. I also bent a couple simply from blowing through the target and into the ground. Do not have that problem using the deep six inserts and is easier to get my points more true to the shaft.

On perfect shots they work just fine and are the alternative if you feel the need to stick with standard thread tips. Another advantage is adding a bit more weight up front as well when you use these if that is what you are looking for. Or you can use two deep six inserts otherwise to get that weight up.

There are lighter Titanimum inserts/outserts as well but at $25 each I couldn't justify.

Some will praise them, some will not. Finding what you are confident in is a must!

Ahh, the good ol plywood test. When does that season open? I'll have to agree to disagree with you on this subject. Some guys have great luck with them, some don't. I still think the plywood test is one of the dumbest tests to do. Has no real world translation for me, shooting something with hair, actual bone structure and blood to lube and provide viscosity is the only true test. Steel drums rank right up there with plywood to me. The Firenock outserts are stronger than the VAP outserts, but a pain to pull out of anything other than foam. Deep Six has its own set of issues, not the least of which is broadhead selection. Guess we're on different sides of this one.

 

[MattB]

I don't think its the ID if the outserts that's off, Dorge is OCD about his gear. Most likely shaft variations as the only thing they truly control is the ID on the shafts. OD is often the culprit.

It is the outserts, not the shafts. You can test fit 5 different outserts on the same shaft and get varying fits.

 

[sneaky]

I would call Dorge and get him to replace them. What size are they? 5.89 or 6.06?

 

[jmez]

I just ordered a dozen of the AeroOuterts for my FMJ injexions. See how these work.

 

[MattB]

My shafts are the Injexion .330, not sure the size of the outsert which fits them. All but 1 spun perfectly out the first dozen despite the variable fit, so I m not overly concerned.

 

[milunchbox]

i used stainless outcerts instead of the vap ones. They are heavier and look better than the poop brown.