drones and fair chase

[brettb]

You know drones , maps, google earth, still aint goona make a difference for scouting and i dont care what anyone says. Ya you can look at it from 10,000 ft above but what the hell does that do for you when you are looking up at everything??????? Its a complete different image when you are there actually hunting the area, oh ya hmmmmm I dont remember seeing this from up above, DUHHH. Its amazing how everything looks 100% different when hunting the area they supposably scouted with google earth or drones. You mite gain a little insite of the area from above, but its not gonna do you shit while actually out hunting. Its amazing how different everything looks when you are down on the ground working your ass off enjoying life compared to sittin on your ass behind a computer sayin "yuuup I can do That" and call yourself the so called great white hunter. lol. Anyways, I think if I see a drone and I have a rifle in my hands, UMMMM yep it will go down. If you want be a real hunter who has respect for the game you pursue, show it and go out and hunt like a real man or woman with that lil chip on your shoulder sayin , I told you so. If not stay with an outfitter or a sally high fence ranch and dont get on hunting forums asking for information. Sorry to BLAH BLAH on but I think you might see how i feal about this subject.

 

[Backpack Hunter]

Can't say I have ever thought about this, but initial thoughts would be that I don't really see a problem with it as long as they are not actively used in taking game. Don't really see a difference between scouting by drone vs. scouting by plane. Maybe a no hunting the same day as flying type rule?
Maybe someone can explain to me how this is disrespectful to game?

 

[brettb]

The biggest problem you will have is, as soon as its so called ok for scouting you will have more and more lazy people pushing the bondries in the long run to use them for the wrong reasons. put a stop to it now and prevent the unethical ways happening in the future. out law them in everywhich way possible before they become an everyday use and make it to where its an over compensated way of hunting/scouting and we sit back and watch the mature animals diminish

 

[Brock A]

Because we can always trust the government to do the right thing!

Just ask an Indian ;-)

 

[William Hanson (live2hunt)]

From a privacy/government spying standpoint drones should be banned. From a hunting standpoint, I believe drones to be just as "fair" as guides. In my opinion, do they work yourself or you shouldn't pride yourself a hunter. That being said it becomes a slippery slope quickly, as was brought out earlier, with game cameras and what not. To each their own I suppose but the hunt is what's important to me.

 

[7mag.]

So what do you guys think the general, non hunting public will think when hunters start using drones? The voting public has already banned baiting bears and hound hunting for cougars in several states. What do you think they will say if they see hunters using unmanned aircraft for scouting/hunting purposes?

 

[ELKCRAZED77]

I know I get upset seeing the same small plane going round and round and round every year over the area I hunt. I know what he's doing and who he's doing it for and I could only imagine to see drones doing some ones scouting for them. I found that anything worth having I worked hard for. If I need a drone I don't need to be there...

 

[Coveyleader]

Well as a drone pilot (non military) there are some great uses for a drone, but hunting isn't one of them. To be clear, the following exists currently in the US.

- Officially, they are illegal to fly in the US without a COA.

- They cannot be used for commercial purposes.

- There was a case just this week where a pilot actually got busted by the FAA and the judge sided with the pilot which may change things.

My general feeling is the use of drones for certain applications is cutting edg. Sadly, our flipping government is once again putting us behind the power-curve on technology while other countries such as Canada, Central, and South America and the rest of the world are outpacing us.

 

[mtnwrunner]

Just ask an Indian ;-)

Yeah, no kidding. "I'm from the government and we are just here to help you."

Well, I am severely opposed to anything like this. But I am also opposed to radios, atv's, paid scouting, high fence crap, smart guns, etc. HOWEVER, I do use a rangefinder, binos and riflescopes, cameras, Dacron string on my traditional bow, etc. So..............it's all going to come down to what you personally do and what YOU perceive as ethical and fair chase. In my book, drones would be horrible for this kind of purpose.

Randy

 

[TEmbry]

Just ask an Indian ;-)

For clarification, this statement seems to imply you want drones legalized correct?

 

[Brock A]

For clarification, this statement seems to imply you want drones legalized correct?

Negative, Ghostrider.

 

[TEmbry]

Negative, Ghostrider.

So government squashing out the rights of the Indians being wrong equates to government squashing out our rights to fly RC planes being right?

Elaborate for those of us too slow to draw that correlation...

 

[Coyote Commander]

Placing spycams in women's bathrooms violates other peoples rights. Flying a toy helicopter around the hillsides on public land doesn't... .

Bull.

Flying a toy helicopter around infringes on my "right" to enjoy public ground in a natural setting.



We trampled all over the "rights" of smokers in this country based on the "rights" of non-smokers. This would be no different.

 

[Brock A]

So government squashing out the rights of the Indians being wrong equates to government squashing out our rights to fly RC planes being right?

Elaborate for those of us too slow to draw that correlation...

Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning!

It doesn't have any correlation. Excuse me for making a non constructive comment to the thread.

 

[Ross]

Mixed thoughts on this one. For me I would not use them as it takes the excitement out of discovering everything with boot leather. I would have to say no as you don't know where this ends giving too much of an advantage to us. Items earned with sweat and boot leather bring more satisfaction for me.

 

[TEmbry]

Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning!

It doesn't have any correlation. Excuse me for making a non constructive comment to the thread.

I'm not angry I just thought you were comparing government intervention in the two scenarios. It seemed contradictory.

My apologies.

 

[bohntr]

Drones for scouting???? Really folks? You can make all the justifications and rationalizations you want; you can talk rights being taken away and even government conspiracies. You can say that the industry (money) is driving this madness we call technology that makes it easier. However, I guess I have a much more simplistic approach. I've been shooting the bow and arrow at critters for 40 years now. I didn't get into hunting to simply kill things and be successful all the time.....while that may be all of our objective, the pursuit and experience is truly why I bowhunt. I would imagine many of you, if you can think back to your first hunt, felt the same way. Perhaps we simply need to be reminded of that feeling and purpose. No to drones here.

 

[JP100]

welcome to our world.
we dont have drones but we have helicopters with dare I say it "fat yanks" in them wanting to hunt tahr and chamois.
hopefully you guys can get a law stopping drones for any hunting purpose.
Its only a small step from them to helis and then you get heli hunting.

If you can be arsed going for a walk you shouldnt be hunting

 

[MattB]

Interesting topic. Gut feel, I wouldn't use them for hunting and would prefer others not from a fair chase perspective.

But from a broader civil liberties perspective it is an interesting debate. My sense is there is probably a safety issue that will trump the public's general ability to use drones. Amazon recently raised the concept of having drones deliver good purchased via the internet in almost real time, and there were questions of both the aesthetics of having the sky filled with flying delivery devices, as well as the safety issue of them potentially falling out of the sky or running into other objects. My sense is they will remain illegal for recreational use for these more pragmatic reasons. Even if these issues are overcome, and one wanted to debate the issue from a pure civil liberties perspective I still believe that the government will prohibit them for public use. As much as there may be an argument for those who want to use them to see, there are also the civil liberties of those who would be seen (and presumably would not want to be) to consider.

 

[TEmbry]

Drones for scouting???? Really folks? You can make all the justifications and rationalizations you want; you can talk rights being taken away and even government conspiracies. You can say that the industry (money) is driving this madness we call technology that makes it easier. However, I guess I have a much more simplistic approach. I've been shooting the bow and arrow at critters for 40 years now. I didn't get into hunting to simply kill things and be successful all the time.....while that may be all of our objective, the pursuit and experience is truly why I bowhunt. I would imagine many of you, if you can think back to your first hunt, felt the same way. Perhaps we simply need to be reminded of that feeling and purpose. No to drones here.

I agree whole heartedly with your post. I guess the spill over from all other aspects of my life is making me think I'm tired of the government telling me what I can and cannot do when it doesn't infringe upon others rights.

If I think of it from a hunting perspective and how hunting "should" be... I agree. Drones have no place in hunting. Neither do many things we already use as well.

When I think of it as actually making it into a LAW that we cannot use these devices it just rubs me the wrong way. What right of the government is it to tell me I can't fly an RC plane around? If I remove the camera it is legal but with camera onboard it is illegal? Just seems backwards to me.