Don’t need no rear bag - S2H University

[Silviuswolf]

You dont take it off... why would you need to?

Does this damage the binos in anyway?

 

[philcox]

Does this damage the binos in anyway?

Here we go, I can just see @Ryan Avery and @Formidilosus pondering a "Bino Crush Test" ...

 

[Silviuswolf]

Here we go, I can just see @Ryan Avery and @Formidilosus pondering a "Bino Crush Test" ...

Haha. I’m just imagining my rifle hitting up against them.

 

[Randonee]

Haha. I’m just imagining my rifle hitting up against them.

The rifle is supported by your non-trigger hand, so the rifle is not in contact with binos. There are some good videos/photos demoing this earlier in this thread. Thumb and index finger support (pinch/grasp) the rife, and bottom 3 fingers grasp or squeeze the rear bag (bino harness).

 

[WI-Carcosa]

This thread and the videos have been super helpful. After trying 6 various rear bags with a combination of bipods or a front bag this summer, I started using the bino harness as a rear rest and am shooting much better. This is so fast off the backpack it’s comical thinking about how much I used to struggle with this stuff before Rokslide.

 

[RWT]

So I’ve been thumbing it all wrong for some time. At my 5 year mark I’ll start a thread of all the things I’ve learned from this site. Knowledge is free. Now I have to apply what I’ve learned.

 

[CoMtnMike]

There were a lot of lightbulb moments in the class. Another big one for me was “grabbing grass.” Seeing it demonstrated—and then all of us getting first-round hits at 300+ yards while shooting seated the very first time we tried it—was seriously impressive.

OK the videos on using the binos were awesome and a quick test in my basement shows me is could work great and even might work in the seated position with my upright pack as the good solid front rest - I have my binos high already so fist on top of that to support the rear could be great. Cant wait to try that on my next range trip!

But now I need a video on "grabbing grass" in the seated position. I can come up with a couple snarky ideas (dont want to be unhelpful to the thread now that it is back on course though) but not many real ones... pinching tall grass between elbow and knee for added stability? One hand is on the trigger and the other either holding the forend or supporting the rear if the front is solid... so how do you grab grass?

And I am serious - because seated is much more common for me than prone when hunting... anything I can do to make that more stable I will take to try!

 

[woods89]

The bino harness as rear bag is a solution that every western hunter should spend some time getting familiar with. Even if you carry a bag, it's a solution that is always right there.

I use an AGC, and if I can't for some reason get it shoved under the stock it's easy to reach down and pop the left side buckle, at which point it can be moved quite a bit.

 

[Stinky Coyote]

Thumb? Butt stock thumb is a problem child? How?

 

[plchny]

Maybe by a second or two. Which is meaningless. And it's certainly not as consistent. What about shots where you never remove the harness? Tripod? From atop a pile of rocks or a boulder sitting leaning forward?

This. Well said

 

[Q_Sertorius]

This. Well said

You are quoting him from before the point in the thread where people demonstrated how the method actually works.

 

[plchny]

You are quoting him from before the point in the thread where people demonstrated how the method actually works.

I'm not saying you can't use ad hoc methods for rear support. I used at hoodie the other day. However, if you want consistency bags are a great tool.

I'm not a naysayer. I think folks bring too much crap into the field. However, a schmedium game changer makes a great pillow, pad to kneel on, rear support, front support off of rocks or logs, etc.

Also, I don't typically run bipods on my hunting rifles. I'll shoot off of a rock or pack before I try to force bipods on crap terrain.

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

I'm not saying you can't use ad hoc methods for rear support. I used at hoodie the other day. However, if you want consistency bags are a great tool.

I'm not a naysayer. I think folks bring too much crap into the field. However, a schmedium game changer makes a great pillow, pad to kneel on, rear support, front support off of rocks or logs, etc.

Also, I don't typically run bipods on my hunting rifles. I'll shoot off of a rock or pack before I try to force bipods on crap terrain.

Someone who is well practiced shooting prone off their pack isn’t get “more hits” using a “shooting bag” versus using their bino harness. And I’m a fan of rear bags and always have one on the pack.

 

[plchny]

Someone who is well practiced shooting prone off their pack isn’t get “more hits” using a “shooting bag” versus using their bino harness. And I’m a fan of rear bags and always have one on the pack.

Sorry, i meant consistency as in as a versatile tool that with some practice you can build a consistent position across a broad spectrum of obstacles.

I'm not knocking bino harness. It's a solid technique. However, I've seen people go overboard with "field expedient" or "ad hoc" stuff. There's a difference between using your stuff sack with puffy top that you always have in your pack and deciding that I'm going to use a rock or something because I can.

Also, depending on terrain rear support is rarely needed when shooting off a pack.