Don't get a 30-06

[thinhorn_AK]

Read it again— he is talking about the general lack of skill. And, he is right about a huge proportion of the shooters at the range I see are any like the rest of the country.

He said:

section of hunters with 30-06 (or really any Cartridge)

Yes he’s heavily implying that it wouldn’t be an issue with a smaller cartridge. People think this is new in for when it’s was proven almost 100 years ago that people shoot smaller cartridges better (higher hit rates).

Again you are taking this personally when I’ve clearly stated I like smaller cartridges too. That’s literally what this whole thread has been, saying that people who like 30-06 are inferior marksmen, I was even accused having no knowledge and buying a 30-06 by some guy.

I’ve been under the impression that you are highly successful and highly educated, so why misrepresent what this thread is really all about???

Read through it again.

 

[oldskool67]

I have to post this at least once a year……back to back World War Champion

 

[rickyw]

Doesn’t kill them any deader…

So why even use a match bullet then? Other bullets kill too.
Larger wounds have the potential to kill faster - this is my hypothesis.
Until somebody lines up 1000 elk, and shoots them with a 223 match bullet, and then does the same with another 1000 elk with the same construction 308 match bullet, same impact velocity, same location (ie behind shoulder) using a blinded observer, who tracks the time it takes for the animal to go down and the distance it travels, then compares the results, it seems premature to state that a 223 match bullet can kill as quickly in every instance as a 308 match bullet. As far as I’m aware, all we have is ballistic gel modeling data and observational data from non blinded observers (including myself).
Then this would ideally be repeated with different impact locations and different impact speeds, keeping everything else the same. Then, repeat with different animals. Of course, it will never happen.

I should say I am not anti small cartridge. My son will probably hunt bears with a 223 this spring. I guess I think sometimes people just state things like they are fact when we really just have a bunch of observational data. It’s not even close to quality blinded research.

Let the tomato throwing begin!

 

[thinhorn_AK]

I have to post this at least once a year……back to back World War Champion

Didn’t do us much good in Vietnam though. In reality, the only reason the 30-06 made it to ww2 is because the government had so much ammo laying around they couldn’t justify making news guns and manufacturing more ammo. There were a lot of anti war, anti military liberals around post ww1.

 

[jmez]

Confirmation bias is real. On both sides.

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[hereinaz]

One dude, basically saying the average owner of a 30/06 isn’t proficient is not close to evidence that everyone is saying a thing.

And, one random dude saying mean things about you is also not everyone.

Again, that was a vast misrepresentation of the discussion.

 

[hereinaz]

So why even use a match bullet then? Other bullets kill too.
Larger wounds have the potential to kill faster - this is my hypothesis.
Until somebody lines up 1000 elk, and shoots them with a 223 match bullet, and then does the same with another 1000 elk with the same construction 308 match bullet, same impact velocity, same location (ie behind shoulder) using a blinded observer, who tracks the time it takes for the animal to go down and the distance it travels, then compares the results, it seems premature to state that a 223 match bullet can kill as quickly in every instance as a 308 match bullet. As far as I’m aware, all we have is ballistic gel modeling data and observational data from non blinded observers (including myself).
Then this would ideally be repeated with different impact locations and different impact speeds, keeping everything else the same. Then, repeat with different animals. Of course, it will never happen.

I should say I am not anti small cartridge. My son will probably hunt bears with a 223 this spring. I guess I think sometimes people

Have you read the .223 thread?

 

[rickyw]

Have you read the .223 thread?

of course. And the thread has been a success because it was observed from non blinded observers that wounds from a 223 tmk kill more effectively than other 223 bullets, and more or as effectively as stout/bonded bullets from other larger cartridges.

In a sense it strengthens my hypothesis, that larger wound channels can kill more quickly.

So, for example, if I want to decrease the distance my bear may travel into the alders, I’d prefer a 30-06 with tmks over a 223, as long as I can shoot it well.

I want to say my intention is not to be argumentative in any way. Just an interesting discussion.