Do your research before joining "sportsmens conservation" type groups...

[idig4au]

What s BHA stand on natural resources development?

 

[Matt Cashell]

What s BHA stand on natural resources development?

"Gas, Oil, and Mining: Oil and gas leasing is important economic activity, but America's hunger for energy must be balanced with our responsibility to pass on healthy land and water for future generations. BHA will address energy development projects that impact fish and wildlife habitat, migration, breeding, and sportsmen's hunting and fishing opportunities, by educating decision-making agencies, legislative bodies, and local stakeholders. Mining: We all use minerals in our daily life and mining is important. However, if done irresponsibly, mining can leave lasting scars that pollute water and degrade habitat. BHA will address mining projects that will impact fish and wildlife habitat, migration, breeding, and sportsmen's hunting and fishing opportunities, by educating decision making agencies, legislative bodies, and local stakeholders."

https://www.backcountryhunters.org/index.php/our-work-our-values/our-purpose-and-objectives

 

[avodude]

What s BHA stand on natural resources development?

“We also support collaborative efforts, such as the Clearwater Collaborative, where all sorts of groups and industries come together to look at large landscapes and work out plans,” Tawney said.

“The results are not perfect for everybody, but they’re a path forward to managing a watershed. It took a decade, but the Clearwater agreements are leading to designating 200 miles of wild and scenic rivers, the longest ATV routes in the West and suggested wilderness as well as approved timber harvest – something for everyone. It’s a way out of the world of lawsuits.”

http://www.spokesman.com/outdoors/stories/2015/mar/01/guns-rods-wilderness/

 

[Mike21]

As you can see from my post I said ... "greendecoys is not a source." I was speaking about greendecoys. Greendecoys is not a source. It is a darkmoney group.

BHA is open and honest about what they do and where they get their funding. greendecoys is not.

Is there any actual information about BHA working in any way at all, ever, for gun control?

Didn't think so.[/QUOTE

Ok you got me, if the leader of your organization raised millions under the guise of Montana Sportsmen for Obama the most anti gun president ever, no reason to question if that organization is anti gun..... Seems very logical. I mean just cause dick Cheney was on the board of Halliburton has nothing to do with invading Iraq.

Ask colorado what happened when these type of politicians were supported, bye bye Magpul and hi cap mags, Montana could be next with BHA supporting those type of politicians. And the president who pushes those policies. I mean who you vote for says a lot about what you believe in.

 

[Mike21]

What s BHA stand on natural resources development?

"BHA’s Minnesota chapter opposes the proposed Sandpiper pipeline that would transport 375,000 barrels daily of North Dakota crude oil to Minnesota and Wisconsin refineries. The group also weighed in against the proposed PolyMet copper mine that could bring hundreds of jobs to northern Minnesota’s Iron Range."
http://watchdog.org/203523/sportsmen-group-targeted-green-decoy-environmentalists-fires-back/

 

[Jason Snyder]

Mike21,

At least go back and check your facts. Per the Green Decoy allegations:

He was a member of the
Montana Sportsmen for Obama Committee and headed
the “Montana Hunters and Anglers Leadership Fund”
political action committee (PAC). The PAC spent $1.1
million to oppose Republican candidate for U.S. Senate in
Montana Denny Rehberg and $500,000 on a Libertarian
Party candidate whom observers believe took votes from
Rehberg, helping secure Democrat Jon Tester’s re-election

 

[Matt Cashell]

Ok you got me, if the leader of your organization raised millions under the guise of Montana Sportsmen for Obama the most anti gun president ever, no reason to question if that organization is anti gun..... Seems very logical. I mean just cause dick Cheney was on the board of Halliburton has nothing to do with invading Iraq.

Ask colorado what happened when these type of politicians were supported, bye bye Magpul and hi cap mags, Montana could be next with BHA supporting those type of politicians. And the president who pushes those policies. I mean who you vote for says a lot about what you believe in.

I guess you have changed your mind then.

Once again this is fyi only not an attack on anyone's political beliefs. I still might join BHA........

I am going to step away from this conversation. I hope everybody does their own research.

My personal opinion, and separate from any affiliation with Rokslide, is that BHA is comprised of good people with a wide range of political beliefs working for issues I support in the interest of hunters and public land hunting.

It took me a long time and a lot of research to find that BHA was an organization I wanted to support. But in the end, I do support them.

 

[avodude]

Hey, if you're a democrat and are crazy about hunting and preserving wild lands, I welcome your money and your commitment to the outdoors, I will try to match it. Let's just not talk about politics.

I, personally, am equally disgusted with Republican and Democrat politicians. I vote pro gun and pro hunting. Sometimes it is a republican, other times it is a democrat. That says a lot about who I am and what I believe in. I have "done" my research and I like what BHA is doing and support them.

 

[Jason Snyder]

Mike21,

Continuing from above, sorry I am having issues with formatting via cut and paste.

So the PAC that Land Tawney head spent 1.1 million to defeat Denny Rehberg, which if you know Montana politics was a very good move for all sportsmen who come to Montana and don't plan on hunting a leased ranch. Senator John Tester has been an excellent sportsman's senator, and getting him elected was a very good move. If you need further, simply look at who was in the mix for trying to get the bipartisan sportsman's act through the last two legislative sessions in Washington DC. Denny Rehberg was alleged to have posted state land near his ranch in Billings to keep people off.

Land Tawney was a MEMBER of the Montana Sportsmen for Obama committee. It doesn't articulate his role, which means he didn't do shit. If there is one thing that the Green Decoy mantra does NOT do is put down falsities. However, they like to try and connect dots and formulate alliances that may not really be there. Look at some of the links I posted earlier. The same guy attacking BHA has also attacked MADD. Quite a guy, huh?

The goal of these dark money groups is to provide just enough to make things a Red vs. Blue issue and hope enough people jump to the conclusions they want, that they can have the influence that want. Sadly enough, it appears to be working.

 

[Jason Snyder]

My last post on this also. The Green Decoy also "exposes" the Teddy Roosevelt Conservation Partnership (TRCP) using the same tactics. It alleges that TRCP is anti-gun because they took money from a group that has funded other anti-gun issues. Nice move, huh? Further, they go on to list the largest donors to the organization. Keep in mind, that the picture they are painting here is a decidedly leftist group that is anti-gun. One of the donors is the Tom and Stacy Seibel Foundation.

Tom is a very staunch Republican and has donated time and money to the Republican party. In addition, he and his family are so left wing that they hunt and take part in shooting sports. Oddly enough, he pals around with people who do the same. Pretty left wing if you ask me.

Some folks really need to wake up and SEE the dirty politics that is taking place right now, and understand the lengths that are being taken by dark money groups to try to influence policies on a national level. Dark money groups are hitting state legislatures across the nation with their agendas, and the common man is the one that stands to lose here.

 

[Jason Snyder]

"BHA’s Minnesota chapter opposes the proposed Sandpiper pipeline that would transport 375,000 barrels daily of North Dakota crude oil to Minnesota and Wisconsin refineries. The group also weighed in against the proposed PolyMet copper mine that could bring hundreds of jobs to northern Minnesota’s Iron Range."
http://watchdog.org/203523/sportsmen-group-targeted-green-decoy-environmentalists-fires-back/

The Butte copper mine provided hundreds of jobs over the years. Actually, it still is and some of them are part of the Superfund Restoration project. Just because something makes jobs doesn't mean it's good.

 

[Mike21]

Mike21,

At least go back and check your facts. Per the Green Decoy allegations:

He was a member of the
Montana Sportsmen for Obama Committee and headed
the “Montana Hunters and Anglers Leadership Fund”
political action committee (PAC). The PAC spent $1.1
million to oppose Republican candidate for U.S. Senate in
Montana Denny Rehberg and $500,000 on a Libertarian
Party candidate whom observers believe took votes from
Rehberg, helping secure Democrat Jon Tester’s re-election

I don't get what you mean? What facts was I off on, that he raised millions for both politicians? "Doherty and Land Tawney, another member of Sportsmen for Obama, said they thought the secret talks were emblematic of the leadership of President Bush and said Obama would change that."

“I’m confident when Sen. Obama becomes president he will protect hunters and anglers right to access their national forests,” Tawney said
http://helenair.com/news/sportsmen-...cle_13c17fba-1318-5bfb-bd6e-4892e6e13e7b.html

Seems like the only person that has made this political is Land Tawney...

 

[Jason Snyder]

Ok you got me, if the leader of your organization raised millions under the guise of Montana Sportsmen for Obama the most anti gun president ever, no reason to question if that organization is anti gun

Right there. He didn't raise millions for MS for Obama, he was a member. The PAC he headed spent millions against Denny Rehberg.

 

[Jason Snyder]

“I’m confident when Sen. Obama becomes president he will protect hunters and anglers right to access their national forests,” Tawney said
http://helenair.com/news/sportsmen-...cle_13c17fba-1318-5bfb-bd6e-4892e6e13e7b.html

Seems like the only person that has made this political is Land Tawney...

Typically, when one works in the political arena to influence policy, per the Democratic process, they must make political allies. Given that public access to public lands is a key component of what BHA works for, would it seem odd that there are poltical statement made?

Because no energy developer ever made anything political.....

Why don't you go back and read about the Clearwater Initiative posted above, because that is a body of work that really shows what BHA is about.

 

[Mike21]

Right there. He didn't raise millions for MS for Obama, he was a member. The PAC he headed spent millions against Denny Rehberg.

Oh you mean the exact amount of money that montana sportsmen for Obama raised, really?

“There’s a lot of talk about Obama and guns, and — I’ll be honest with you — a lot of fear,” said Tawney. “But at least he’s not trying to fake it. Not like John Kerry with a dead goose over his shoulder and new hunting outfit one month before the election.”

The biggest misperception of people in Montana, he said, is that everyone is a rube just off the hay truck. That’s not to say there aren’t militia wackos hiding in the hills, trading toxic nonsense about Obama’s secret Muslim past." http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/16/opinion/16egan.html?_r=1&

Tawney didn't do shit is what someone said. Tawney says "at least Obama is not trying to act like he is pro gun and Tawney supported him.Now fake hunter john Kerry (Tawneys words) is sec of state.

 

[MattB]

Bitter Bulls,

The " source" listed was http://watchdog.org/203523/sportsmen-group-targeted-green-decoy-environmentalists-fires-back/, this is not Green Decoys, it even calls the green decoy video "slick". It was written by "Tom Steward covers government waste, spending and policy issues in his home state of Minnesota. Also a documentary filmmaker and in-depth broadcast journalist, Tom's work has appeared on NPR, Animal Planet, WCCO-TV, WGBH-TV, PBS, Australian Broadcasting Corporation, KSTP-TV, CBC, among other outlets. Highlights include the fall of the Berlin Wall, a Peabody Award, the first footage in the wild of the endangered Sumatran tiger and rhino and countless individuals who shared their stories, big and small. Steward served as a communications strategist in the U.S. Senate before returning to reporting on issues and people often overlooked by other media."

"BHA was quoted In the Duluth News Tribune recently, BHA’s Lien again took aim at the Environmental Policy Alliance and “big-industry corporate types looking to fatten their already bursting bank accounts at the expense of everyday, hardworking Americans. Whether you hunt deer in Minnesota’s Superior National Forest or elk in Colorado’s San Juan National Forest, the effort by fringe politicians and special interests to transfer or sell public lands that you depend on to hunt, fish and recreate — robbing us of our American birthright — should be a concern.”

Sounds like a source to me..... Correct?

It is "a source", but did you test the conclussions arrived at in the article against the publicly available information on BHA? I can find sources on the internet to support virtually any position I can conceive - that doesn't make them correct.

 

[Jason Snyder]

Oh you mean the exact amount of money that montana sportsmen for Obama raised, really?

“There’s a lot of talk about Obama and guns, and — I’ll be honest with you — a lot of fear,” said Tawney. “But at least he’s not trying to fake it. Not like John Kerry with a dead goose over his shoulder and new hunting outfit one month before the election.”

The biggest misperception of people in Montana, he said, is that everyone is a rube just off the hay truck. That’s not to say there aren’t militia wackos hiding in the hills, trading toxic nonsense about Obama’s secret Muslim past." http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/16/opinion/16egan.html?_r=1&

Tawney didn't do shit is what someone said. Tawney says "at least Obama is not trying to act like he is pro gun and Tawney supported him.Now fake hunter john Kerry (Tawneys words) is sec of state.

Well here's a news flash for you. It's highly unlikely that Mitt Romney was going to do much to further BHA's cause. Last time I checked, there was no Constitutional Amendment or right to have accessible public land and unspoiled wilderness. I can at least rest easy knowing that the Supreme Court can potentially overturn any gun legislation that infringes up my 2nd Amendment Rights. I cannot rest easy knowing that the Supreme Court will do anything for me whatsoever to protect the public lands that I rely on for hunting.

I realized a long time ago that politics is usually choosing the lesser of two evils. Did Land Tawney choose the right lesser? I don't know. I guess in the end it comes down to your own idealogical convictions, and obviously yours oppose those of BHA.

 

[avodude]

Okay, let's do some "research" on watchdog.org...

Founded by the Franklin Center for Government and Public Integrity

which was founded by the Sam Adams Alliance.

From Wikipedia...

"According to Internal Revenue Service records, 95% of Franklin’s revenue in 2011 came from a charity called DonorsTrust. In that year DonorsTrust distributed US$86 million which according to the group’s website are private gifts and used for “funding sensitive or controversial issues”, an arrangement said to obscure the identity of the donors wishing to keep their charitable giving private. The $6.3 million donation to the Franklin Center was the second-largest gift made in 2011 by the group.[11] DonorsTrust's top contributors were Charles and David Koch."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchdog.org

 

[avodude]

"BHA’s Minnesota chapter opposes the proposed Sandpiper pipeline that would transport 375,000 barrels daily of North Dakota crude oil to Minnesota and Wisconsin refineries. The group also weighed in against the proposed PolyMet copper mine that could bring hundreds of jobs to northern Minnesota’s Iron Range."
http://watchdog.org/203523/sportsmen-group-targeted-green-decoy-environmentalists-fires-back/

You're the OP. Why did you not do "research" on your sources? Especially when you warn others on here to do their research on these "so called" conservation groups?

 

[Mike21]

As you can see from my post I said ... "greendecoys is not a source." I was speaking about greendecoys. Greendecoys is not a source. It is a darkmoney group.

BHA is open and honest about what they do and where they get their funding. greendecoys is not.

Is there any actual information about BHA working in any way at all, ever, for gun control?

Didn't think so.

“There’s a lot of talk about Obama and guns, and — I’ll be honest with you — a lot of fear,” said Tawney. “But at least he’s not trying to fake it. Not like John Kerry with a dead goose over his shoulder and new hunting outfit one month before the election.” http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/16/opinion/16egan.html?_r=1&