Defund the Police?

[Bubblehide]

They, as in politicans are also talking defunding education.

 

[Azone]

The threat is oh so real....

 

[16Bore]

When LEO say things need cleaning up, maybe folks should listen.

 

[Opah]

Remember the days of kingdoms and serfdom, the Kings guard and army. you didn't obey you were imprisoned , hung, head cut off, family murdered and all property became the Kings.

 

[16Bore]

WTF is going on in Seattle?

Autonomous Zone? At least that’s what local news calls it. Others Antifa. You pick. City government is friggin insane there. Holy shit.

Anarchy in Seattle

Seattle’s hard-Left secessionist movement has claimed its first territory: six blocks in the Capitol Hill neighborhood. For the past week, Black Lives Matter and Antifa-affiliated activists have engaged in a pitched battle with Seattle police officers and National Guard soldiers in the...

www.city-journal.org

 

[Oldffemt]

Make no mistake, all of this garbage is political. They want to divide us so we can’t oppose the globalist agenda. Racial issues are easy pickings it seems and there are plenty of useful idiots on both sides willing to play along. “United we stand divided we fall” is a warning.

As far as dismantling entire police forces? In major cities??? Play stupid games, win stupid prizes...
I’m damn sure glad I don’t live in a city right now.

There was a BLM protest in my little town last weekend, it was about 74 white people mostly not from here and one black guy, also not from here (man buns for all!). There was 20 or so cops who grinned and bore it and then 80-100 of us local folks keeping an eye out to make sure they didn’t try to tear anything up. We picked up their trash after they exercised their 1st amendment rights. I’m blessed to live in a community that still has some values...

 

[Oldffemt]

Autonomous Zone? At least that’s what local news calls it. Others Antifa. You pick. City government is friggin insane there. Holy shit.

Anarchy in Seattle

Seattle’s hard-Left secessionist movement has claimed its first territory: six blocks in the Capitol Hill neighborhood. For the past week, Black Lives Matter and Antifa-affiliated activists have engaged in a pitched battle with Seattle police officers and National Guard soldiers in the...

www.city-journal.org

Holy shit!!! I’d be pissed and moving if I lived there!!

 

[Bradybunchdad]

I saw signs saying just that today in rural Oregon, really. I can’t Imagine.

 

[slick]

I saw signs saying just that today in rural Oregon, really. I can’t Imagine.

Real question is...east or west side?


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[Unoboats]

You guys need to have Idaho annex eastern Washington and Oregon

 

[Ty208]

Liberalism is a mental disorder. Have a great day

 

[rooster440]

I feel like it's only a few that are causing 90% of the damage.
I also feel like you should always support those that are willing to put their life on the line for you.

How exactly do they put their lives on the line for us?


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[FLAK]

Seattle is Freak Central.

 

[Desk Jockey]

I am a former LEO of sorts (military police) and a big supporter of LEO but I think there are things that can be changed. I grew up in New Orleans where they have had long standing issues of systemic problems I. Their police department Has been under federal oversight for more than 8 years so to say there are problems is an understatement. When I went through my academy / training years ago we were talk arrest techniques and self defense. All the instructors gave us their own ideas about how to apply additional and sometimes unlawful levels of force and when, up to deadly force. The mentality of “ don’t lose the fight” “always get your mine” “the ancient art of Ching-Ching-Boom“ was instilled from the first days. Nothing about deescalation or community policing was taught. It was all OJT for how to roll into a domestic dispute or how to handle someone with a metal health issue. Just not the right tool for a lot of tasks.

there are plenty of things that could and should change about our policing model in the US, but defunding and disbanding departments is asinine. The underlying sentiment needs to be addressed and changes need to be made but no one wants to leave in a place without law enforcement. I have a good friend that lives in Honduras. He is fairly well off and rolls into town with 2 or more armed guards. in the last 25 years he has been robbed 5-6 times and shot twice. He lives in a walled compound with guards and sleeps with an AK 47. The stupidity of getting rid of the police will present itself very, very quickly. You can already see that with some elements infiltrating these current protests.

 

[Kevin Dill]

Late to the discussion, and maybe my thoughts will seem outrageous.....

We give police departments and officers the powers to change lives, use deadly force, take lives, make life-and-death decisions, deal with injured and dying people, and so on. In rough summation, our very lives and futures are within the control of a police officer. That level of responsibility and accountability is on par with a medical doctor, a registered nurse, pharmacists and other professionals. These doctors, nurses and others are only allowed to be employed in their field after years of education (not months) and in every single state they must hold a recognized license to perform their work.

In addition to the above requirements, every one of these professional occupations is controlled by a state board which oversees the practice standards, licensure requirements, compliance and disciplinary actions of a given profession. These state boards exist to to protect the public, and they do so by holding their professionals to a very high standard. Even with that, there are always rogues, derelicts and outright criminals in any profession. The state acts to limit or remove their ability to continue working if they are deemed unfit or a threat to the public. Almost all states have a reciprocity agreement whereby an individual (say a pharmacist) who loses his license in any state is automatically unable to obtain licensure in another.

With all the inherent power and responsibility we give to a police officer (say a guy in a town of 10,000 people) why haven't we moved to the level of requiring at least 2 full years of college education (includes field hours with actual police work), a recognized degree, a standardized licensure process, and annual continuing education requirements? Why doesn't every state have a board which oversees all aspects of LE officer registration, compliance and discipline?

My doctor has to have 4-6 years of education and carry a license to practice medicine before he can prescribe a drug. If he screws it up he can lose his ability to work. A police officer has at least the equivalent power to affect lives, and it seems to me we should hold them to an equally high standard of conduct and practice. In so many ways it makes sense to reward our officers by having them be truly college educated professionals with licenses. I believe every state should have a professional board of review which has the ability to sanction or remove (from police work) an officer who has a pattern of repeated problems.

Don't de-fund. Re-think.

 

[Vinootz]

Late to the discussion, and maybe my thoughts will seem outrageous.....

We give police departments and officers the powers to change lives, use deadly force, take lives, make life-and-death decisions, deal with injured and dying people, and so on. In rough summation, our very lives and futures are within the control of a police officer. That level of responsibility and accountability is on par with a medical doctor, a registered nurse, pharmacists and other professionals. These doctors, nurses and others are only allowed to be employed in their field after years of education (not months) and in every single state they must hold a recognized license to perform their work.

In addition to the above requirements, every one of these professional occupations is controlled by a state board which oversees the practice standards, licensure requirements, compliance and disciplinary actions of a given profession. These state boards exist to to protect the public, and they do so by holding their professionals to a very high standard. Even with that, there are always rogues, derelicts and outright criminals in any profession. The state acts to limit or remove their ability to continue working if they are deemed unfit or a threat to the public. Almost all states have a reciprocity agreement whereby an individual (say a pharmacist) who loses his license in any state is automatically unable to obtain licensure in another.

With all the inherent power and responsibility we give to a police officer (say a guy in a town of 10,000 people) why haven't we moved to the level of requiring at least 2 full years of college education (includes field hours with actual police work), a recognized degree, a standardized licensure process, and annual continuing education requirements? Why doesn't every state have a board which oversees all aspects of LE officer registration, compliance and discipline?

My doctor has to have 4-6 years of education and carry a license to practice medicine before he can prescribe a drug. If he screws it up he can lose his ability to work. A police officer has at least the equivalent power to affect lives, and it seems to me we should hold them to an equally high standard of conduct and practice. In so many ways it makes sense to reward our officers by having them be truly college educated professionals with licenses. I believe every state should have a professional board of review which has the ability to sanction or remove (from police work) an officer who has a pattern of repeated problems.

Don't de-fund. Re-think.

Most law enforcement are fairly decent. But one too many have huge egos and superiority complexes. I don’t agree with the anti police nonsense going on, but it won’t hurt to keep law enforcement on their toes. Too many have
the “I am the boss” mentality and over step their bounds. I have quite a few family members in law enforcement; and many friends. They are ordinary police, top brass police, specially trained unit police, FBI, Homeland Security, Secret Service and US Marshall service. They all have egos that can’t fit through a doorway-lol. Like I said: it won’t hurt to keep them on their toes.

 

[16Bore]

Late to the discussion, and maybe my thoughts will seem outrageous.....

We give police departments and officers the powers to change lives, use deadly force, take lives, make life-and-death decisions, deal with injured and dying people, and so on. In rough summation, our very lives and futures are within the control of a police officer. That level of responsibility and accountability is on par with a medical doctor, a registered nurse, pharmacists and other professionals. These doctors, nurses and others are only allowed to be employed in their field after years of education (not months) and in every single state they must hold a recognized license to perform their work.

In addition to the above requirements, every one of these professional occupations is controlled by a state board which oversees the practice standards, licensure requirements, compliance and disciplinary actions of a given profession. These state boards exist to to protect the public, and they do so by holding their professionals to a very high standard. Even with that, there are always rogues, derelicts and outright criminals in any profession. The state acts to limit or remove their ability to continue working if they are deemed unfit or a threat to the public. Almost all states have a reciprocity agreement whereby an individual (say a pharmacist) who loses his license in any state is automatically unable to obtain licensure in another.

With all the inherent power and responsibility we give to a police officer (say a guy in a town of 10,000 people) why haven't we moved to the level of requiring at least 2 full years of college education (includes field hours with actual police work), a recognized degree, a standardized licensure process, and annual continuing education requirements? Why doesn't every state have a board which oversees all aspects of LE officer registration, compliance and discipline?

My doctor has to have 4-6 years of education and carry a license to practice medicine before he can prescribe a drug. If he screws it up he can lose his ability to work. A police officer has at least the equivalent power to affect lives, and it seems to me we should hold them to an equally high standard of conduct and practice. In so many ways it makes sense to reward our officers by having them be truly college educated professionals with licenses. I believe every state should have a professional board of review which has the ability to sanction or remove (from police work) an officer who has a pattern of repeated problems.

Don't de-fund. Re-think.

You can’t cut someone’s hair without a license and proper training.

Just sayin....

 

[browning2480]

You can’t cut someone’s hair without a license and proper training.

Just sayin....

With random inspections to make sure you are following the state rules

 

[16Bore]

With random inspections to make sure you are following the state rules

And if a person isn’t following the rules, they can be looked up on the state’s website and one can read the complaint and ruling.

Imagine that for LEO....

 

[IdahoElk]

Lets defund politicians first.