Deep Six arrows

[whitingja]

Can anyone tell me if there is any advantage of the Deep Six arrows? I have heard varying opinions. I have a new bow setup, Hoyt Carbon Spyder Turbo at 80lb. I am setting up my bow similar to Cameron Hanes setup. I was reading that he uses the Deep Six arrows FMJ, not sure why Deep Six. Please explain. Thanks.

 

[MattB]

These arrows are slim and heavy/durable, which may be a benefit from a penetration perspective. The limited BH selection is a detractor, and some aren't sold on the strength of the insert/shafts interface (I'd love to hear direct experience on this if people have it). Some quivers may not accomodate them well.

One word of advice (and this has nothing to do with Hanes or anyone else in particular) - I wouldn't look at the set-ups of guys who are sponsored by manufacturers and decide that modeling your set-up after theirs is the best way to go. I am not saying the products they use are bad or even sub-optimal, but you might find out that the reason they should product xyz is because it is free or they are being paid to and not because their objective assessment has determined it to be the best.

 

[whitingja]

I agree Matt. They use what they get paid to use.I just didn't see a huge advantage of the deep six. I use Muzzy Trocars, and I know they make those for deep six, but I think I will stick with my old trusty FMJ's.

 

[MattB]

When the alternative is a FMJ, IMO the benefit of changing would be *really* marginal. Not to mention you would either have to buy all new BH's or run an outsert/half out.

 

[BOW1144]

I don't see any practical advantage My old FMJ's are passing through everything just fine. I did find one advantage to them< my brother just switched to the deep six's and gave me a small fortune in broadheads that he couldn't use anymore. looks like I won't be switching anytime soon.

 

[Arbutusbucks]

As far as pros... They definitely aren't affected by crosswind as much. They look cool. Penetration should be a little better but I don't think it makes a huge difference. They are pretty tough.

Cons... Broadhead selection is getting better but still not as good as regular inserts. Target life is decreased because they penetrate a little farther. They are more difficult to put a helical fletch on. They're pretty expensive. If you shoot them enough the area where the field tip meets the carbon shaft begins to splinter, this may be my problem though from hitting something hard... Although it just seems to happen with time. (It never happened when I shot axis and they are a similar design/material.)

I like them I switched from carbon express when they came out, the windy weather performance is enough to justify it for me. I just shoot the plain carbon injexions though. No experience with the FMJs.

 

[jmez]

I'm not a fan of the hidden inserts period. If you don't use the broadhead adapter rings then the ends of the shaft will mushroom and not hold up. If you don't get them seated correctly then you've ruined an arrow. I've not done this but had it happen on some arrows that I bought.

The smaller diameter arrows will penetrate better. The regular FMJ's don't really have a problem with penetration though so it is probably a wash.

I've shot the FMJ's since they came out and like the arrows. I switched to the FMJ Injexion's this year. In my targets they out penetrate the regaular FMJ. Haven't shot them at any game yet so the jury is still out.

 

[tipsntails7]

Can anyone tell me if there is any advantage of the Deep Six arrows? I have heard varying opinions. I have a new bow setup, Hoyt Carbon Spyder Turbo at 80lb. I am setting up my bow similar to Cameron Hanes setup. I was reading that he uses the Deep Six arrows FMJ, not sure why Deep Six. Please explain. Thanks.

What is your draw length? I am fairly certain with an 80 pound bow you are not gonna be able to run the 330's. You can PM ORarcher on here and he can tell you exactly what he is running, I'm pretty sure he cuts them for Cam and I'm pretty sure cam is back down to 70 maybe not. I have not talked to him this year.
He uses te deep six because it's new and is Easton's flagship arrow for this year.

 

[OR Archer]

What is your draw length? I am fairly certain with an 80 pound bow you are not gonna be able to run the 330's. You can PM ORarcher on here and he can tell you exactly what he is running, I'm pretty sure he cuts them for Cam and I'm pretty sure cam is back down to 70 maybe not. I have not talked to him this year.
He uses te deep six because it's new and is Easton's flagship arrow for this year.

He used to run the 400's. He now shoots the 330's and he still shoots 80# on his CS Turbo. At a cut length of 27.5" they work just fine out of his set up.

 

[tipsntails7]

He used to run the 400's. He now shoots the 330's and he still shoots 80# on his CS Turbo. At a cut length of 27.5" they work just fine out of his set up.

you guys tune them for him out of a hooter? ive always thought he shoots underspined arrows but he obviously doesn't have a problem with it. he is a good dude that I have had the pleasure of talking to and shooting with a few times.

 

[OR Archer]

No we dont tune his arrows through the hooter shooter. Just make sure they are built to within a grain of each other and that his broad heads are tuned to them.

 

[Aron Snyder]

Can anyone tell me if there is any advantage of the Deep Six arrows? I have heard varying opinions. I have a new bow setup, Hoyt Carbon Spyder Turbo at 80lb. I am setting up my bow similar to Cameron Hanes setup. I was reading that he uses the Deep Six arrows FMJ, not sure why Deep Six. Please explain. Thanks.

Not sure if this helps or not, but I'm shooting 28.5 out of a CS34 @83lbs. The best flight I've had was with a 200 spine arrow. When I tried 330's, they were weak for the poundage.

 

[whitingja]

You are shooting deep six FMJ's Aron?

 

[whitingja]

Hey OR Archer, what is your opinion on the Muzzy Trocar's? Thats what I am shooting this year. Haven't shot anything with them yet. Wondering about the damage they cause. I use to shoot Ulmer Edge, but I wanted to mix things up a little. Thanks

 

[MattB]

Hey OR Archer, what is your opinion on the Muzzy Trocar's? Thats what I am shooting this year. Haven't shot anything with them yet. Wondering about the damage they cause. I use to shoot Ulmer Edge, but I wanted to mix things up a little. Thanks

There is a thread on this very topic on this forum in which a number of folks (OR included) gave their opinions - all good I might add.

 

[Aron Snyder]

You are shooting deep six FMJ's Aron?

No....Gold Tip K's.

 

[miller1]

No....Gold Tip K's.

are you using the outserts or the Easton hit inserts"

 

[Aron Snyder]

Outserts

 

[go4thegusto]

I have been using the FMJ Axis arrows and have tested the Deep Six arrows. One thing to be aware of on both these imbedded insert arrows is the strength of the system. If you think about it only the threads of the broadhead are supported by the insert and not the pilot of the head. I have recently had several heads snap at the threads and split the arrow out sideways. When I spoke to a Muzzy rep about this he said there was much buzz about this. I could see this happening on a marginal hit like a scapula where you would lose the kinetic energy required to possibly drive through. Like everything, it sin't the perfect double lung shot we worry about.
That said I would recommend the stainless outsert by Vapor on the Deep Six and an aftermarket Axis insert that shoulders outside of the arrow like a traditional system. I like the shafts and small daimeters a lot but the internal insert is a bad idea.

 

[miller1]

I have had a steel body broadhead snap at the threads using standard inserts, I hit the shoulder and the bh snapped off right at the insert.