Yes they are, you can get into some deep and dark places pretty quick.Im also from Washington and have hunted my whole life and I do know there's a lot of diehard hunters here in WA that know of what's really out there but don't talk about it. Like a head nod to each other and move on from the subject kind of thing when it's brought up. Although some guys aren't shy about it either. The Cascades are a crazy place, both sides of them.