Creedmoor for Brown Bear Hunt

[Billogna]

What is an energy rating? Who determines it? Where does it come from? What bullet manufacturer cites energy as a metric required?

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good question. I was being obtuse. For this discussion ft/lbs should do just fine.

 

[Billogna]

What is an energy rating? Who determines it? Where does it come from? What bullet manufacturer cites energy as a metric required?

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to follow up. No manufacturer sets minimums. We have experience outdoor writers to thank for that!

 

[grfox92]

to follow up. No manufacturer sets minimums. We have experience outdoor writers to thank for that!

I suspect some of them are lurking in the pages of this forum lately.

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[Billogna]

I suspect some of them are lurking in the pages of this forum lately.

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As they should be!! How else are they gonna learn anything??

 

[grfox92]

As they should be!! How else are they gonna learn anything??

They think they are here thinking they will teach us brother.

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[Billogna]

They think they are here thinking they will teach us brother.

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I mean... If you can't kill it with mono's and magnums it just won't damn die!!

 

[fwafwow]

I noticed a new power factor was introduced in this thread that we need to consider. The "Grit" factor. How is this one measured? What is the minimum "Grit" factor needed to kill coastal brown bears compared to elk? For that matter, let's use a "well-known" and "flawless" gold standard measurement. How much energy is needed to kill a coastal brown?

This or the original comment about elephants lacking grit reminded me of a debate we had in college - which would win in a cage match between a male grizzly (we can say coastal brown) vs a male silverback gorilla, armed with an aluminum baseball bat, and he knows how to use it? (I always went with the bear.) So, lose the cage - which would win in a match of a coastal brown vs. a bull (let's say African) elephant? I'm going with the bear, and probably put it as the endpoint in any "Grit" factor spectrum. (I am open to another "Grittiest" endpoint animal.)

 

[One300wsm]

This or the original comment about elephants lacking grit reminded me of a debate we had in college - which would win in a cage match between a male grizzly (we can say coastal brown) vs a male silverback gorilla, armed with an aluminum baseball bat, and he knows how to use it? (I always went with the bear.) So, lose the cage - which would win in a match of a coastal brown vs. a bull (let's say African) elephant? I'm going with the bear, and probably put it as the endpoint in any "Grit" factor spectrum. (I am open to another "Grittiest" endpoint animal.)

How about gritting on these .

 

[Billy Goat]

This or the original comment about elephants lacking grit reminded me of a debate we had in college - which would win in a cage match between a male grizzly (we can say coastal brown) vs a male silverback gorilla, armed with an aluminum baseball bat, and he knows how to use it? (I always went with the bear.) So, lose the cage - which would win in a match of a coastal brown vs. a bull (let's say African) elephant? I'm going with the bear, and probably put it as the endpoint in any "Grit" factor spectrum. (I am open to another "Grittiest" endpoint animal.)

Well, I know a guy who whooped a Rock Ape in a cage years ago. Back in the day when they had that kinda stuff at fairs. Pre-dates MMA stuff I guess.

He went back the following night and and hid in the back just to see how everyone else faired. The Rock Ape took a different approach that night, jumped around the cage throwing at everyone .

So using ricer math, if man can beat Rock Ape, but Silverback can beat Rock Ape, silverback or man with baseball bat maybe has a chance?

I think Bull Elephant takes Coastal Brown bear tho.

 

[Billy Goat]

How about gritting on these .

Little cabin fever?

 

[fwafwow]

Well, I know a guy who whooped a Rock Ape in a cage years ago. Back in the day when they had that kinda stuff at fairs. Pre-dates MMA stuff I guess.

He went back the following night and and hid in the back just to see how everyone else faired. The Rock Ape took a different approach that night, jumped around the cage throwing at everyone .

So using ricer math, if man can beat Rock Ape, but Silverback can beat Rock Ape, silverback or man with baseball bat maybe has a chance?

I think Bull Elephant takes Coastal Brown bear tho.

I had not thought about the other uses of hands by the ape. Poo has Knockdown Power.

What if the bull elephant has no tusks?

 

[Billy Goat]

I had not thought about the other uses of hands by the ape. Poo has Knockdown Power.

What if the bull elephant has no tusks?

Well a bull elephant has something like 6000 pounds on his foot, so thats 6000 foot pounds of energy, certainly plenty of knockdown powwa.

 

[IDVortex]

Well a bull elephant has something like 6000 pounds on his foot, so thats 6000 foot pounds of energy, certainly plenty of knockdown powwa.

So you're saying energy kills?

 

[Billy Goat]

So you're saying energy kills?

I'm saying a bull elephant standing on something probably kills it.

 

[IDVortex]

I'm saying a bull elephant standing on something probably kills it.

So fatness kills.

 

[Billy Goat]

So fatness kills.

I think its mass

 

[BLJ]

I had not thought about the other uses of hands by the ape. Poo has Knockdown Power.

What if the bull elephant has no tusks?

It could use its trunk to fling the poo.

 

[SDHNTR]

These stories need to stop. Yes there are lots of rifles chambered in smaller cartridges in the villages, the hunting practices are often questionable and you only hear the one success story, not the dozens of stories of lost animals or moose that took 15 bullets to die, or caribou that were so blasted up there was nothing left to harvest.

When I first moved to AK I believed all the stories too. Not anymore.

Exactly. Natives don’t hunt with small caliber weapons because they are effective. They hunt with them because that’s what they have access to. End of story.

 

[mt100gr.]

It could use its trunk to fling the poo.

Like an atl'atl!! That would actually increase the energy - probably be like using a magnum.

 

[BLJ]

Like an atl'atl!! That would actually increase the energy - probably be like using a magnum.

Exactly.

A magnum atl’atl.

When that elephant yeets a couple prairie dogs at mach 2 that brown bear will know what’s up.