CPW - ‘Righting’ some Wrongs

[sndmn11]

Oh I agree it doesn’t give me a right over residents just saying the tax argument really doesn’t matter as it applies to other things then wildlife.

I wouldn't use taxes as support for my position, it is irrelevant from my perspective.

What is relevant to me is simply a state being good stewards of it's wildlife for it's residents.

 

[np307]

Take all this NR vs R stuff, fast forward 25 years, and it will be the same conversation except it will be counties of the same state and not differing states.

 

[jayhawk]

"Ultimately resident hunters will gain about 200 coveted limited elk and deer tags each year, which previously were being funneled to nonresident hunters by using big game draw data from 2007"

Increasing resident tags by 15% only gets us 200 tags? Am I reading that right? I thought it would be more than that.

The problem with a lot (though not all) OTC units, is that much of the land is private. Going from OTC to draw only in those units may not help numbers very much because most people don't hunt private.

 

[JMasson]

Saw this play out in Arkansas. For years residents bemoaned loss of opportunity and blamed OOSers (nonresidents) for the declining duck harvests. In reality, there were and are multiple compounding factors (mostly meteorological) that are to blame. The residents got their way. OOSers can only hunt ducks on public land (this restriction does not apply to private property) for 10 days each season. It is split into two 5 day segments, one in the early split and one in the late. OOSers have to pick a WMA, buy a permit and can only hunt that singular WMA for 5 days. Those who are saying NRs should have more opportunities for whatever reason, you’re wrong. Those little towns will get along just fine without you and your money. As evidence I offer Cash, AR. Be greatful we are presented with any opportunity. I’m happy to be able to draw a deer or elk tag every two or three years. I know I can hunt bears every spring, OTC in several state if I feel inclined, which is just as much fun for me.

 

[Archer86]

The problem with a lot (though not all) OTC units, is that much of the land is private. Going from OTC to draw only in those units may not help numbers very much because most people don't hunt private.

This makes no sense. Colorado sells 10s of thousands of otc elk tags that are open to any otc unit. If they eliminate otc set a cap and require people to draw how would it not help pressure as it would limit the amount of hunters on the public and in effect limit pressure on animals being hunted.

I am all for otc tags being eliminated in colorado and I am a nr there and have plenty of points there. It will help alot.

they also need to eliminate allowing people to turn there tags back in and Second choice tags should use points

 

[Fatcamp]

I wish I'd never bought points in Colorado.

Don't have many and may just let them die.

No real reason other than its kind of a hassle and OTC stuff sounds like a circus.

 

[Donjuan]

What effect will this have on point creep? I guess an increase of 1 to 2 points on average across draw units

 

[Ucsdryder]

Nothing says Merry Christmas like opportunities shrinking and prices going up.



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Hey Glass half empty guy…. I see a glass half full with increase opportunities for residents!

I don’t buy the “I come and buy 2 tanks of gas, a handle of jack, and some slim Jim’s! The towns needs nonresidents!!!”

 

[cnelk]

I wish I'd never bought points in Colorado.

Don't have many and may just let them die.

No real reason other than its kind of a hassle and OTC stuff sounds like a circus.

They won’t ‘die’ for 10 years.

It’s the gift that keeps on giving

 

[Fatcamp]

They won’t ‘die’ for 10 years.

It’s the gift that keeps on giving

Hmm, I have an idea on where to shoot a deer. Maybe I'll use them.

 

[cnelk]

The contact info for all members of the CPW Commission can be found here: https://cpw.state.co.us/aboutus/Pages/CommissionMembers.aspx

Save your time and efforts until the next BGSS comment period.
Which should start next year

 

[cuerro viejo]

This makes no sense. Colorado sells 10s of thousands of otc elk tags that are open to any otc unit. If they eliminate otc set a cap and require people to draw how would it not help pressure as it would limit the amount of hunters on the public and in effect limit pressure on animals being hunted.

I am all for otc tags being eliminated in colorado and I am a nr there and have plenty of points there. It will help alot.

they also need to eliminate allowing people to turn there tags back in and Second choice tags should use points

The best archery elk unit in the state is OTC, and does not have one acre of public hunting.

You may have points now, but it may also be the last time you hunt a decent unit the rest of your life.

I have no problem with 80/20 except they make you buy a hunting license to enter the draw, which is BS since they are doing it to maximize P&R allocation on top of the additional revenue

Changing all OTC units to draw will most likely be no different than the last units they took out of OTC. Double digit left over tags.

End of the day, come 20 years from now Western states will be down to less than 5% NR allocation while begging for legislation support money to fight anti’s. It will fall on deaf ears.

It’s like NM trying to eliminate NR sheep tags… yet 77% of sheep funding and conservation work is NR $$$$$. Get rid of those tags and see who sends money.

 

[Archer86]

The best archery elk unit in the state is OTC, and does not have one acre of public hunting.

You may have points now, but it may also be the last time you hunt a decent unit the rest of your life.

I have no problem with 80/20 except they make you buy a hunting license to enter the draw, which is BS since they are doing it to maximize P&R allocation on top of the additional revenue

Changing all OTC units to draw will most likely be no different than the last units they took out of OTC. Double digit left over tags.

End of the day, come 20 years from now Western states will be down to less than 5% NR allocation while begging for legislation support money to fight anti’s. It will fall on deaf ears.

It’s like NM trying to eliminate NR sheep tags… yet 77% of sheep funding and conservation work is NR $$$$$. Get rid of those tags and see who sends money.

It will make a huge difference they could do a general tag like wyoming and guys will burn points to draw it and limiting the hunters will make for a better hunt and there will not be any left overs guaranteed.

I will hunt wyoming every year so I don't think I will have a issue with hunting decent units every year

End of the day if hunters look at animals as only having value if they can kill them then we have a bigger problem then tag allocation of nr

I spend all kinds of time in the summer with my family in the mountians taking pictures of animals ,camping , fishing , and just enjoying watching animals. If I didn't get a elk tag every year I would still spend time in the mountians I think this is the biggest issue with some nr the animal only has value to them if they can kill it and would otherwise never spend time in that state or the community the claim to support so much with nr dollars

 

[cuerro viejo]

1) Most western states do the same thing, Colorado was just late to the ballgame, why should we in Colorado get less of a shake for those PR dollars than other western states? Unless everyone does away with it for their draw, I surely don't want us getting less funding when everyone else is doing it. 2) CPW loses money on every application, I saw a game warden on on their YouTube say they subsize about half of the cost since they pay a company to host and run their licensing/draw system.

Most is not all. Wy doesn’t. They have a high % of residents hunters with in their general population. Fact is if you cant maximize P&R money with out NR then you shouldn’t be getting the max. Goes for all states. The states with highest numbers of Resident Hunters should be given extra if other states can’t do it without NR.

 

[cuerro viejo]

It will make a huge difference they could do a general tag like wyoming and guys will burn points to draw it and limiting the hunters will make for a better hunt and there will not be any left overs guaranteed.

I will hunt wyoming every year so I don't think I will have a issue with hunting decent units every year

End of the day if hunters look at animals as only having value if they can kill them then we have a bigger problem then tag allocation of nr

I spend all kinds of time in the summer with my family in the mountians taking pictures of animals ,camping , fishing , and just enjoying watching animals. If I didn't get a elk tag every year I would still spend time in the mountians I think this is the biggest issue with some nr the animal only has value to them if they can kill it and would otherwise never spend time in that state or the community the claim to support so much with there nr dollars

I get points every year in CO and draw my second choice LE unit. Last few years I’ve turned back the LE tag and got OTC.

I ski and fish/camp CO a lot as a NR also.

 

[fngTony]

I'm sure no one will miss one less Texas license plate at the trailhead.

We have enough battles, let’s not pick fights among ourselves.

 

[sneaky]

I’m looking forward to when NR can’t hunt wilderness.

Move to Wyoming then

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[dirtytough]

Non res make sure you guys send emails to help support delisting the wolves once they take over in Colorado. Or whatever the flavor of the week is that residents need help on. I’m pretty sure in the last two weeks there was a post on here asking for help with bike trails in Colorado. Was that directed at residents only or are non res supposed to help fight that stuff also?

I’m fine with residents wanting more for themselves. But don’t come asking for help with one hand while taking away stuff with the other.

 

[Bubblehide]

The state with the most liberal nonresident tags was California, the last time I looked.

 

[ReaptheHeat]

I saw posted earlier that while Colorado is not the most expensive state for tags, you forget that the seasons you can hunt are some of the shortest. Archery is 4 weeks, rifle seasons and usually 4-7 days.

But yes, we really need to eliminate OTC for non-res and fix allocation. Hunting every year is nice, but I would rather less often with greater experience.

People will cry, Colorado has been the most lenient state to NR hunters for a long while. You come here when you don't draw a tag in other states.