Convince me to hunt Wolves

ThreeOhSeven

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Like the title says...

I've always hunted for meat. I've never considered predator hunting until this season. I had a good, actually great, fall and harvested my biggest bull and second biggest buck to date. But this year, I've been seeing more wolves than ever before and the packs are a healthy dozen plus.
I tagged out early and decided to take a buddy into a late season honey hole. We saw and heard a few elk but right at sunrise the howls began and the woods became silent.
I'm teetering on th fence. Push me over the edge.
 
The simple fact is they kill whatever is in their path for an opportunity. It is not only the sick or old. Consider what a large pack must eat to sustain itself. They need managed, plain and simple and you save your future hunting opportunities with each one you kill. I have found kills in September on mature prime age bulls, prime age cows in October, prime age cows and calves mid summer and many after a good winter when they simply run them into deep snow. They chase and hunt 365 with no limit. Good luck.

Added a few more, just because I remember when I found her, the brutal seen of blood all over as they grabbed her front and back, ripping out her rear. She was still warm like the bull above. Just think she may have produced several bulls you would hunt over a decade or further cows to enhance the population. They literally wiped this mountain of elk over 5 years that they lived on it prior to moving off and now roam by. I go by once a year, but don’t hunt it like I used to.
 

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Read Alaska’s wolf man. Dude lived and hunted along side wolves, bred them with his sled dogs and probably had more experience with the animals than any modern person. He outlines what they are and what they are not. If that dude was down with killing wolves I think just about everyone should be. Wolves have been elevated to some weird position among North American mega fauna. They are not different than a coyote and should be treated as such. Yes they are cool animals but left unchecked they will absolutely destroy ungulates to the point where they will starve. So try to keep them in check
 
Well...wolves are made of meat 🤷‍♂️

Seriously though, their expansion in range and population have far exceeded the boundaries identified before their reintroduction. Not to mention that a single wolf will eat more elk in year than I'll probably kill in a lifetime. Just having another open season would be enough reason for me to chase them.
 
If you hunt for meat, help make sure there's more meat, by killing wolves.

If unchecked wolf expansion keeps going on, the days of you getting tags every year, let alone multiple tags a year, will be long gone and dead not just to you, but to your kids, and your grandkids as well.

It doesn't take many generations of sporadic tags to kill off hunting culturally. It's exactly what happened in California with mule deer and the banning of hunting mountain lions. People are lucky to get drawn once every 4 years. How many years do you have your kids at home, of hunting age? That's where unchecked wolf expansion leads.
 
If you hunt for meat, help make sure there's more meat, by killing wolves.

If unchecked wolf expansion keeps going on, the days of you getting tags every year, let alone multiple tags a year, will be long gone and dead not just to you, but to your kids, and your grandkids as well.

It doesn't take many generations of sporadic tags to kill off hunting culturally. It's exactly what happened in California with mule deer and the banning of hunting mountain lions. People are lucky to get drawn once every 4 years. How many years do you have your kids at home, of hunting age? That's where unchecked wolf expansion leads.
This is mainly where my head it at. If I can see such a difference in a couple of years, obviously damage has already been done and it will continue without management.
 
Their meat is delicious…..?

I was joking with my girlfriend last night that if I served her barbecued or curried coyote, she wouldn’t be able to tell what she was eating. I don’t think that is really the case, but your comment made me smile.

The only thing I’ve ever heard about eating predators is to avoid the livers. Carnivore livers are loaded with toxic levels of B-vitamins.
 
I was joking with my girlfriend last night that if I served her barbecued or curried coyote, she wouldn’t be able to tell what she was eating. I don’t think that is really the case, but your comment made me smile.

The only thing I’ve ever heard about eating predators is to avoid the livers. Carnivore livers are loaded with toxic levels of B-vitamins.
I’ve eaten dog before. In Indonesia. Wasn’t great, wasn’t terrible.

I have no problems leaving predators laying where they fall. I kill them as a wildlife management exercise. Once in a while a bobcat skull or pelt ends up preserved but by and large we hunt/trap/kill predators here at home strictly to mitigate their impact on game. Dead predators = live turkeys.

The Bible calls wolves a curse. Because that’s exactly what history shows they are, to a society built around the consumption of meat animals. Wolves should have been left eradicated, or at very most restricted to a place like Yellowstone. We don’t need them. Aldo Leopold was wrong about ‘keeping all the parts’. He was wrong precisely because he assumed all the parts were inherently ‘good’. At the end of the day my worldview, where human needs trump animal rights, is a hill I’ll die on, and as humans we need game and livestock production more than we need the last component in ‘Wild’ places.

I don’t say this primarily as a hunter or a producer of beef/pork. I say it as a Christian who believes human needs trump animal rights. People are more important than animals. Animals exist to be subservient to the needs of people. It’s a worldview issue first, biology second. At the end of the day, wolf reintroduction is a victory for the nihilist. What they call ‘more natural’ is ultimately ‘less food for people’. Starvation is pretty natural, historically speaking. What they call science is just a really slow and expensive way of starving ourselves.

So ask yourself this question: do you value the last component of ‘wild places’ to the exclusion of yourself - or do you value the production of food for people?

That’s the continental divide in attitudes towards large predators.


Having said all that, I’d love to see a wolf, either from a safe distance or while hunting with a wolf tag. I’d love a pelt on my wall.

When I was a kid an old trapper I knew had a pelt, a dark blackish-red fur, from what we assumed was an eastern Red Wolf trapped after they were believed to be extirpated from the south. I’d love to know where that pelt went. I’d love to have my own hanging on the wall.
 
So ask yourself this question: do you value the last component of ‘wild places’ to the exclusion of yourself - or do you value the production of food for people?
It’s not impossible to value both at the same time.

OP, why do you need convincing? If you want to, hunt them and shoot one. If you don’t, don’t. Shooting one isn’t going to wipe them out.
 
Wolves are hunting more successfully and across wider areas in the winter, opened up by us with things like snowmobiles breaking trail in deep snow. They are more successful now because of us, it falls on us to manage that and take some pressure off the ungulates.
 
It’s not impossible to value both at the same time.

OP, why do you need convincing? If you want to, hunt them and shoot one. If you don’t, don’t. Shooting one isn’t going to wipe them out.

I don't exactly need convincing, obviously it's a personal choice. I started this thread at an attempt to learn more about wolf management through members experiences hunting them.
Similar to your reply, I can see and value both sides. I enjoy cohabitating with wolves while hunting, they are very fun to watch. At the same time, seeing wolf kills with little to no meat consumption proves their blood lust and impact on ungulate populations.
 
Besides the fact that they’re killing and displacing the elk herds, there’s a financial incentive. Not sure if it’s in every state but here we have bounties on wolves - $750-2000 depending on the unit.

I like wolves. They’re cool as hell. Same with mountain lions, bears and coyotes. But since we re-established the elk herds through conservation in the absence of wolves and then reintroduced the wolves, the wolves are preying on a population that didn’t evolve with them and they are taking an undue toll on a resource we have invested billions of dollars in over the years.
 
I've always hunted for meat. I've never considered predator hunting until this season. I had a good, actually great, fall and harvested my biggest bull and second biggest buck to date.
The bolded indicates to me that you're more than a meat hunter.

I think it'd be fun and one of these years when I dont draw an intriguing tag out west i'm just going to hunt wolves instead. Wolves dont create cool trophys like antlers do but I bet the experience pursuing them is as fun as anything else with a rifle. A prime pelt would be cool to be made into a wolf pillow.
 
No animal anywhere is completely wild today - even park buffalo are culled to reduce numbers, protected bears that step out of line are taken out of the gene pool quickly (and quietly), just not by hunters. Letting wolves multiply without bounds is not some noble thing, as anyone who has watched elk herds before and after wolf introduction can attest to.

I really like wolves, like seeing wolves, but having them overpopulate and decimate animals that would otherwise provide more hunting opportunities, not just for us, but generations of kids who will have it harder than us, isn’t making the wilderness better.
 
The bolded indicates to me that you're more than a meat hunter.

I think it'd be fun and one of these years when I dont draw an intriguing tag out west i'm just going to hunt wolves instead. Wolves dont create cool trophys like antlers do but I bet the experience pursuing them is as fun as anything else with a rifle. A prime pelt would be cool to be made into a wolf pillow.
. . . and slippers!
 
As a hunter you’ll have little impact on wolf numbers. The only real way to control them is poison and/or find the den and kill the pups.

No reason not to take a few for hides in my view. I try to remember that the world is a better place with some of them still around.
 
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