Colorado Wolf Introduction is getting REAL political

[Okhotnik]

What was the recovery goal for wolves in Idaho?

The recovery goal was ten breeding pairs of wolves in each of the three recovery areas (northwestern Montana (NWMT), central Idaho (CID), and the Greater Yellowstone Area (GYA)) for three successive years.


Think that Idaho is over their wolf objective? lol




So did they increase the number of bull tags in NE Oregon since wolves were put in that area?

 

[Okhotnik]

What was the recovery goal for wolves in Idaho?

The recovery goal was ten breeding pairs of wolves in each of the three recovery areas (northwestern Montana (NWMT), central Idaho (CID), and the Greater Yellowstone Area (GYA)) for three successive years.


Think that Idaho is over their wolf objective? lol




So did they increase the number of bull tags in NE Oregon since wolves were put in that area?

all we have to do is look what Oregon politicians have done to Portland and W Oregon to see the future

 

[wapitibob]

You said they cut tags due to wolves, cut n paste your facts.

 

[displacedtexan]

Do your far left friends love ranchers

A couple of them own ranches... Several others hunt on them.

 

[displacedtexan]

All my left wing pro gun ban friends are NRA members .

Try using a little critical thinking... The left is not a monolith.

I don't agree with pretty much anyone on everything. But the interchange of thoughts and ideas with those different from me doesn't scare me. And I don't assume everyone not like me is against me.

 

[Okhotnik]

Oregon Elk Draw​

Oregon made some big changes with the over-the-counter Rocky Mountain elk areas in 2022. Archery elk hunting in 13 units and 3 subunits went to a draw. All of the following archery units have gone to a draw: Murderers Creek, Northside, Heppner, Ukiah, Desolation, Starkey, Snake River, Silves, Catherine Creek, Keating, Minam, Pine Creek, Keating, lmnaha, West Beulah, Malheur River, and North Sumpter.

Are there many wolf packs in these units? lol

Can I go online and buy an otc tag from these units? lol You used to buy an OTC tag after season started Yes wolves have increased elk , moose and deer populations and hunting opportunities for sportsmen

 

[Okhotnik]

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[Okhotnik]

Try using a little critical thinking... The left is not a monolith.

I don't agree with pretty much anyone on everything. But the interchange of thoughts and ideas with those different from me doesn't scare me. And I don't assume everyone not like me is against me.

You mean a gun owner like BHA leader Ryan Busse who is a highly paid consultant for the largest gun ban organization in the United States?

 

[displacedtexan]

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What if I'm a sportsman and look at the ecosystem as a whole? What if I don't think management for maximum hunting opportunities is the best way?

“Harmony with land is like harmony with a friend; you cannot cherish his right hand and chop off his left. That is to say, you cannot love game and hate predators; you cannot conserve the waters and waste the ranges; you cannot build the forest and mine the farm.

The land is one organism. Its parts, like our own parts, compete with each other and cooperate with each other. The competition is as much a part of the inner workings as the cooperation. You can regulate them – cautiously – but not abolish them.” -Aldo Leopold

 

[RedSnow]

But most hunters hate wolves, and people they perceive as against them.

I've got a lot of far left friends, the majority are gun owners

What if I'm a sportsman and look at the ecosystem as a whole? What if I don't think management for maximum hunting opportunities is the best way?

“Harmony with land is like harmony with a friend; you cannot cherish his right hand and chop off his left. That is to say, you cannot love game and hate predators; you cannot conserve the waters and waste the ranges; you cannot build the forest and mine the farm.

The land is one organism. Its parts, like our own parts, compete with each other and cooperate with each other. The competition is as much a part of the inner workings as the cooperation. You can regulate them – cautiously – but not abolish them.” -Aldo Leopold

Displacedcalifornian the more you post the more obvious it is that you are a liberal here to promote wolves and troll people. You can't act like having run away wolf populations in somehow balancing the "land as one organism". You are full of it.

To quote Leopold is pretty bold. If you were actually a sportsman you'd know that having this many wolves present isn't good for the environment as a whole. Acting like hunters are wrong for wanting herds of animals to hunt instead of wolves takes a special kind of mental gymnastics only found in liberals.

 

[Okhotnik]

Displacedcalifornian the more you post the more obvious it is that you are a liberal here to promote wolves and troll people. You can't act like having run away wolf populations in somehow balancing the "land as one organism". You are full of it.

To quote Leopold is pretty bold. If you were actually a sportsman you'd know that having this many wolves present isn't good for the environment as a whole. Acting like hunters are wrong for wanting herds of animals to hunt instead of wolves takes a special kind of mental gymnastics only found in liberals.

You see more of these anti hunting trolls engage in trolling hunting web sites. No one takes her seriously. She’s never walked more than 30 yards from a paved lot in her life

 

[displacedtexan]

Displacedcalifornian the more you post the more obvious it is that you are a liberal here to promote wolves and troll people. You can't act like having run away wolf populations in somehow balancing the "land as one organism". You are full of it.

To quote Leopold is pretty bold. If you were actually a sportsman you'd know that having this many wolves present isn't good for the environment as a whole. Acting like hunters are wrong for wanting herds of animals to hunt instead of wolves takes a special kind of mental gymnastics only found in liberals.

Why do so many of you want to drag California into my username?

Where did I say I wanted runaway wolves?

Wolves, elk, deer and antelope managed to coexist for how many thousands of years without ungulates becoming unhuntable.

I will never believe that zero wolves is the ideal number.

I will always have a preference for native species over maximum hunting opportunity.

I'm most definitely not a liberal in the commonly used sense. The first of these definitions is the only one that even fits me.

 

[southLA]

That first definition of liberal lolol

 

[sneaky]

Yes NR can still buy OTC tags in OR, open your eyes and look at the regs.
There is no top end objective for wolves in OR. Do you know of a single western state that has a top end limit?
What's measure 18 have to do with Federally regulated wolves?

I don't think he asked for a top end objective for wolves, but a management number. We certainly have management numbers in Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming. Well documented in fact. Oregon doesn't have a management objective, and that's an issue now and will be in the future. I have little faith that Oregon will get it right, they want to protect beavers to fix the ecosystems for goodness sake.

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[fngTony]

Every one of these wolf threads is going to bring out strong opinions but we don’t to be snarky or insulting.

 

[displacedtexan]

That first definition of liberal lolol

True, but also, we both know people who would be thrilled to live in an echo chamber!

 

[Okhotnik]

That first definition of liberal lolol

here ya go pro gun .BHA leader Ryan wants to increase hunting oppourtnuties by banning all firearms in the US. Only the clown world would buy into this. You should invest in Biden Palestine, Oh pure drinking water lol

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[realunlucky]

Every one of these wolf threads is going to bring out strong opinions but we don’t to be snarky or insulting.

This was the polite way to say please stop.

Apparently that didn't get some people attention but now is the time to move along and post elsewhere.

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[jewbacca]

I wouldn't be so opposed to wolf reintroduction if it didn't come with deifying the damn animals. Introduce them, regulate them, hunt them. They're cool animals. It hurts my own self interests, but treating them like they the holy grail of the outdoors is hurting the cause.

 

[jmann28]

I’m removed from this process and can’t speak from a position of full knowledge, but here is my impression of where things are at. Colorado, as required, has developed a recovery and management plan. That plan is currently in draft form and includes potential lethal take of problem animals. They are in the public review portion of the plan. Once finalized, the plan will then be submitted to USFWS for approval.

The USFWS will likely require some changes before approving that plan. If that happens, Colorado will need to make adjustments and resubmit.

In Michigan and Wisconsin, even though both States are substantially above the agreed upon recovery goals, and have been for the better part of 20 years, killing of wolves for livestock and pet depredation is not allowed. I can’t say with 100% certainty that the same will be true in Colorado, but it would be highly unusual for the Feds to stray from that direction.

The goal of my first post was to help people understand the background on these processes and how they can best provide meaningful input. Having done that, I’m going to back out and allow others to opine on the merits of the plan.

I can tell you for 100% fact, residents of Michigan’s UP regularly shoot wolves year round when given an opportunity. I’m not saying DNR officers turn a blind eye to this, but they don’t put much effort into finding out who fires the rifle.

The deer population in the UP is nothing compared to what it was.

If you’re in the middle of the wilderness with nobody around, are you flinging a round at a wolf? I bet I know the answer


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