Colorado Wolf Introduction is getting REAL political

[ReaptheHeat]

How this was ever allowed to be on the ballot for the uneducated general public to decide is beyond me. Somebody or some group had some serious horsepower to get it to that point. It will be a disaster ten years from now IMO.

Exactly. And the majority that voted for it won't even be affected by it due to geography.

On that note, can we get flesh eating fish into Denver reservoirs and lakes on the ballot? It would be a "reintroduction" from 200 million years ago.

Perhaps we now close all the ski resorts due to them being "protected wolf habitat". That'll rile up some feathers!

 

[Ucsdryder]

Exactly. And the majority that voted for it won't even be affected by it due to geography.

On that note, can we get flesh eating fish into Denver reservoirs and lakes on the ballot? It would be a "reintroduction" from 200 million years ago.

Perhaps we now close all the ski resorts due to them being "protected wolf habitat". That'll rile up some feathers!

I’ve been saying it for years. Reintroduce grizzly bears to San Francisco and the surrounding area. There was a huge population on the coast!

 

[ReaptheHeat]

I’ve been saying it for years. Reintroduce grizzly bears to San Francisco and the surrounding area. There was a huge population on the coast!

Apparently grizzly were in Colorado until 1979.

Yeah that's a predator I'm a little weary of. Let's put that up to vote. I'm sure the hypocritical Denverites don't like the bears as much as cuddly wolves.

 

[Ucsdryder]

Apparently grizzly were in Colorado until 1979.

Yeah that's a predator I'm a little weary of. Let's put that up to vote. I'm sure the hypocritical Denverites don't like the bears as much as cuddly wolves.

Quite confident they’d approve that too. As long as they weren’t in Denver or Boulder.

 

[Blowdowner]

Historians will write about this time with certainty: “Hostile cultural groups were even able to import dangerous predatory animals where previous generations worked hard to eliminate them for the safety of their livestock and children.”

 

[ReaptheHeat]

Quite confident they’d approve that too. As long as they weren’t in Denver or Boulder.

True.

On the plus it could be a good thing for gun rights in this state when they realize packing a handgun into the woods might not be such a bad idea.

 

[SoloWilderness]

Releasing grizzly bears in downtown Denver or Boulder would be epic. I would vote for that. It would make for a fantastic survivor style reality show.

 

[BarCO]

Releasing grizzly bears in downtown Denver or Boulder would be epic. I would vote for that. It would make for a fantastic survivor style reality show.

Most on here seem to be scared of urban areas and grizzlies, they might not care in the city.

 

[SoloWilderness]

Most on here seem to be scared of urban areas and grizzlies, they might not care in the city.

I work in downtown Denver, I worry way more about the junkie sleeping under my truck or in the elevator then the urban bears. It used to be pretty nice downtown, closing all the businesses for Covid turned it into a real sh$$hole.

On the other hand, some of the tweakers might be able to take a grizzly, honey badger style.

 

[BarCO]

I work in downtown Denver, I worry way more about the junkie sleeping under my truck or in the elevator then the urban bears. It used to be pretty nice downtown, closing all the businesses for Covid turned it into a real sh$$hole.

On the other hand, some of the tweakers might be able to take a grizzly, honey badger style.

I doubt they would be afraid

 

[fngTony]

I work in downtown Denver, I worry way more about the junkie sleeping under my truck or in the elevator then the urban bears. It used to be pretty nice downtown, closing all the businesses for Covid turned it into a real sh$$hole.

On the other hand, some of the tweakers might be able to take a grizzly, honey badger style.

Maybe a few tweaked out grizzlies in front of the capital would change some minds

 

[Hnthrdr]

I don't know, unpopular opinion maybe but I like the guy. This state is like no other and most folks have a sense of humor and individualism. I don't think either side has it 100% right and I feel like he treads the line as best he can. The governor isn't the #1 controller of wildlife policy so I don't personally lay this all at his feet. And I've lived in worse, seen worse, and read about worse elsewhere. I'm at peace with it.

Actually the Gov appoints the commission that decides all for the CPW… so yeah I would lay it at his stupid sneaker wearing feet, also his soft on crime policy is disgusting another thing direcy attributed to ole Jared

 

[wapitibob]

How this was ever allowed to be on the ballot for the uneducated general public to decide is beyond me. Somebody or some group had some serious horsepower to get it to that point. It will be a disaster ten years from now IMO.

Pretty simple, they got off their asses, wrote up a ballot measure, got the required signatures, and got it on the ballot.

The exact process any CO hunter could have done to create a law preventing the introduction by the state. But hunters don’t do that, they sit on their thumbs till it’s too late, then bitch about it.

 

[roosiebull]

So we have the pro wolf folks aggressively lobbying wolf reintroduction, where is the other side aggressively opposing it showing the masses videos of how wolves feed themselves, and how destructive they are? Who is even taking that role?

Why do the radical conservation groups have such a strong hold on the public, where is the opposition and who is in charge of the opposition?

It feels like we just sit back and watch these conservation groups do their thing, and our strategy is hoping the public doesn’t buy into it, but there doesn’t seem to be much offense from us.

Same thing is happening here on the coast with marine reserves, the conservation groups make their case, they meet little to no resistance, and they wrap up these valuable chunks of the ocean and don’t do anything they said they would, and nothing is done.

If we don’t match their aggression, we are just going to sit back and watch them take opportunity from us, and none of it is for the benefit of resources, it’s special interest groups trying to take control over every resource, because in their city life, they don’t value the resources, they just want it their way.

This isn’t going to stop here, and everything they take just gives their agenda more momentum… it feels like we let the special interest groups do whatever they want, let them brainwash the public with no opposition… why is that and how do we shift the momentum?

Right now one of these groups is trying to reintroduce sea otters in Oregon, and it’s a terrible idea with no benefits and heavy consequences, we have had several years of El Niño and warm oceans, that was good for sea urchins, without the north wind and upwelling in the spring and summer, the spawn didn’t drift away into the abyss, so we have lots of urchins and no food for them.

We are trending back into a good weather pattern for a healthy ocean and kelp growth, this special interest group is taking advantage of the scenario saying it’s the biomass of urchins decimating the kelp forests, but that’s not the case, it’s a natural cycle that will balance out… now they say we need otters to solve the problem, but the otters won’t eat the urchins, because they are empty… we have a very fragile abalone population here right now, and the otters will take them out first, and do nothing for the problem they are supposed to solve, I have seen it firsthand, harvesting urchins in Alaska, diving among the otters… if they are empty, they don’t mess with them… why would they?

We need to meet these people with resistance every step of the way, because how things are going now, we are screwed. Not just in Colorado, but everywhere they can get a toe in they will.

When Colorado is done, they aren’t done, they are full steam ahead trying to stop people from hunting and fishing, and they are doing this from big cities, completely disconnected from reality

 

[sneaky]

Anti’s and their organizations can’t raise money without a cause.

Ding ding ding! Wolves are a fundraising machine for anti groups. They're set between them and grizzly bears.

Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk

 

[sneaky]

Exactly. I imagine being an attorney for these orgs is extremely lucrative.

Scroll through the page of the Center for Biological Diversity and look at how many lawyers and Carnivore specialists they have on staff. They are printing money with the wolf issue.

Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk

 

[sneaky]

Antis are playing chess, and sportsmen are playing checkers. It's pretty much boiled down to that.

Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk

 

[Hnthrdr]

Ding ding ding! Wolves are a fundraising machine for anti groups. They're set between them and grizzly bears.

Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk

I’d take grizz in Co over wolves all day would definitely keep people on their toes more… plus they only have 1 or 2 cubs a year… not litters

 

[Jbehredt]

He's a raging leftist that works hard at looking unbiased, though his is ABSOLUTELY not. His husband is the driver with regards to wolves. I'd leave here tomorrow if I only could....

The other browser windows I keep open in perpetuity are realtor.com for sane cities. Just waiting for the right deal…

 

[Jbehredt]

How this was ever allowed to be on the ballot for the uneducated general public to decide is beyond me. Somebody or some group had some serious horsepower to get it to that point. It will be a disaster ten years from now IMO.

It’s stoopid easy in CO. The threshold for verified signatures is low. We get to vote on NONSENSE regularly. Just looked it up. 5% of total votes cast for sec of state. 124k and change for statewide initiatives 2023-2026. I’ll take a couple days off to ring doorbells to get signatures for grizzlies on the front range! Who’s with me!?!?