Colorado Big 3 PP Fee

[MuleyFever]

So no reason to buy a NR fishing license this year right? Just buy the small game license on April 1?

Or do I still need to hold a 2018 license to avoid the PP for deer and elk in 2019?

 

[tdhanses]

So no reason to buy a NR fishing license this year right? Just buy the small game license on April 1?

Or do I still need to hold a 2018 license to avoid the PP for deer and elk in 2019?

I’m thinking for deer, elk and antelope you do as that isn’t stated in the changes. Might have to buy both?

 

[tdhanses]

So quick question, I assume it isn’t $100 to apply for desert sheep? That 1 NR tag could really become a 1 in a million tag since it’ll only cost another $9 over an elk tag application since there are no pref points.

 

[cnelk]

Desert Sheep will stay Random

 

[vanish]

So no reason to buy a NR fishing license this year right? Just buy the small game license on April 1?

Or do I still need to hold a 2018 license to avoid the PP for deer and elk in 2019?

From the news brief I posted above:

A qualifying hunting license purchase valid between April 1, 2019 - March 31, 2020 must be made in order to apply for any big game license.​​ A qualifying license includes: 1) an annual resident or nonresident small game hunting license; 2) an annual resident or nonresident spring turkey license; or 3) resident small game/fishing combination license (only available to residents).

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2018 licenses will now be irrelevant. Fishing licenses no longer count. Yes, ALL big game including deer, elk and pronghorn are impacted by this change, just not an additional PP fee.

 

[tdhanses]

From the news brief I posted above:

A qualifying hunting license purchase valid between April 1, 2019 - March 31, 2020 must be made in order to apply for any big game license.​​ A qualifying license includes: 1) an annual resident or nonresident small game hunting license; 2) an annual resident or nonresident spring turkey license; or 3) resident small game/fishing combination license (only available to residents).

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2018 licenses will now be irrelevant. Fishing licenses no longer count. Yes, ALL big game including deer, elk and pronghorn are impacted by this change, just not an additional PP fee.

Makes sense, they’ll take in more rev getting an annual license from everyone that puts in for the draw then they did with charging those just building points that never hunt.

 

[Hoot]

Makes sense, they’ll take in more rev getting an annual license from everyone that puts in for the draw then they did with charging those just building points that never hunt.

They'll also increase their federal matching pitman-robinson dollars since their license sales will increase so much. Its a good move for the state, and should stem some of the big 3 applicants that aren't serious about hunting them.

I'm not terribly happy about all the increases, but I am in the Sheep/Moose/Goat game for the long haul, so I am glad that my odds "should" go back to what they were, or perhaps even get a little better...

 

[cnelk]

The non-refundable fees for NonRes will now total about $417.00 for the "Big-3" (Sheep & Moose & Goat).
In 2018 is was 19.00.

That will eliminate a couple people

 

[realunlucky]

The non-refundable fees for NonRes will now total about $417.00 for the "Big-3" (Sheep & Moose & Goat).
In 2018 is was 19.00.

That will eliminate a couple people

Yep I'm out. Odds just don't justify the cost for me. I'm only going to have eat a few points. Much harder choic for those with 15+ years invested.

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[jm1607]

Well... I guess odds will go up! lol

I think I'm too deep to quit unfortunately.

I think the price is too steep. I don't know why they make everyone buy a small game license when no one hunts small game. That's still so weird. If they axed that I feel like the price is right where it should be. Or maybe if they kept it and made points $50 or $75 a pop, but I'd rather see the useless license gone. I guess they're letting everyone shoot grouse and crap if they want. Either way, I think the total cost should be about 25% less for NRs IMO

 

[cnelk]

My guess about needing a Small Game license is that NonRes get a fishing license when they get a big game license anyway.

 

[Trial153]

It's about money nothing more. Odds wont get any better in any realistic measurable sense.
This doenst fix anything, not even sure if it stems the bleeding..

Long term the only system that has some semblance of fairness and long term viability Idaho. Till we place total multistate cap individual cap on applications that is almost totally random we are doing nothing but building on a house of cards.

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

I'm not really happy about a $50 resident point fee, I was fine fronting the money and I'd be fine with a more reasonable fee like $10-20 for residents. As it stands when tags cost residents around ~$250 and take 10-15yrs to draw you end up paying 2-4x the cost of the tag in fees over the years before actually getting the chance to buy the tag. I could see collecting ~1x of the tag cost in the average draw period (thus $10-20) being reasonable. This is mainly a money grab, they're taking these species away from the budget resident hunters which on principle doesn't sit well with me. I will make the investment as I desire to hunt them still and selfishly it'll likely mean I can hunt these species sooner as the pool of applicants will likely drop off but I still don't like this precedent (pushing budget minded resident hunters away).

 

[tdhanses]

I'm not really happy about a $50 resident point fee, I was fine fronting the money and I'd be fine with a more reasonable fee like $10-20 for residents. As it stands when tags cost residents around ~$250 and take 10-15yrs to draw you end up paying 2-4x the cost of the tag in fees over the years before actually getting the chance to buy the tag. I could see collecting ~1x of the tag cost in the average draw period (thus $10-20) being reasonable. This is mainly a money grab, they're taking these species away from the budget resident hunters which on principle doesn't sit well with me. I will make the investment as I desire to hunt them still and selfishly it'll likely mean I can hunt these species sooner as the pool of applicants will likely drop off but I still don't like this precedent (pushing budget minded resident hunters away).

But it’s still a the cheapest hunt you’ll get on sheep, goat or moose in your lifetime. Really $50 isn’t much.

 

[5MilesBack]

But it’s still a the cheapest hunt you’ll get on sheep, goat or moose in your lifetime. Really $50 isn’t much.

IF you ever draw a tag.

I have 3PP's and 12 weighted points for sheep, moose, and goat. If that $50 PP fee had been instituted when I started putting in, that's $2250........and I still haven't drawn ANY of the three tags. And given the draw system......it's actually possible that I could never draw in my lifetime. For NR odds........$400+ a year will eliminate a LOT of applicants. In the same scenario that would be $6,000 for a NR that still hadn't drawn a tag, with no end in sight. This could drop the applicant pool by 90%.

Quite frankly, moose sheep and goat just don't mean that much to me. I'll try a couple more years and if I still haven't drawn, I'm not wasting $150 every year to "hope for a tag".

 

[tdhanses]

My guess about needing a Small Game license is that NonRes get a fishing license when they get a big game license anyway.

I wish they would let us NR’s decide between a fishing or small game but now it really doesn’t matter.

 

[tdhanses]

IF you ever draw a tag.

I have 3PP's and 12 weighted points for sheep, moose, and goat. If that $50 PP fee had been instituted when I started putting in, that's $2250........and I still haven't drawn ANY of the three tags. And given the draw system......it's actually possible that I could never draw in my lifetime. For NR odds........$400+ a year will eliminate a LOT of applicants. In the same scenario that would be $6,000 for a NR that still hadn't drawn a tag, with no end in sight. This could drop the applicant pool by 90%.

Quite frankly, moose sheep and goat just don't mean that much to me. I'll try a couple more years and if I still haven't drawn, I'm not wasting $150 every year to "hope for a tag".

Yeah and for NR it’ll end up costing more then just saving and doing an outfitted hunt in AK. I’ll probably drop out of the big 3 game as it really isn’t an economical tag system for any of the lower 48 big 3 unless your a resident. Put $1000 a year towards an AK hunt for sheep, goat and moose into savings and overall spend will be about the same as the long term building pts in multiple states where you really don’t have much of a chance to draw anyway plus the tag cost if you do draw.

 

[sneaky]

But it’s still a the cheapest hunt you’ll get on sheep, goat or moose in your lifetime. Really $50 isn’t much.

Not really. By the time you invest in the points required to draw one of those tags you could have just fronted the money in Idaho and have MUCH better odds of drawing one of the tags with the same chance as everyone else. You'd know quick too, as Idaho doesn't hold your app fees for months. Alaska is going to look like a bargain compared to waiting 30 years and paying those fees for a CHANCE to draw... maybe...

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[tdhanses]

Not really. By the time you invest in the points required to draw one of those tags you could have just fronted the money in Idaho and have MUCH better odds of drawing one of the tags with the same chance as everyone else. You'd know quick too, as Idaho doesn't hold your app fees for months. Alaska is going to look like a bargain compared to waiting 30 years and paying those fees for a CHANCE to draw... maybe...

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Yeah but as a resident for one animal, 30 years from now you would only have $1500 invested in pts and a tag fee of $300. Pretty cheap when you compare to nonresident costs of $3,000 in pts $2,200+ in tag fees.

Still though chances are small that after paying for pts for 30+ years that you wil even draw, might as well save for goat and moose in AK and hunt sheep in MT.

 

[sneaky]

Yeah but as a resident for one animal, 30 years from now you would only have $1500 invested in pts and a tag fee of $300. Pretty cheap when you compare to nonresident costs of $3,000 in pts $2,200+ in tag fees.

Still though chances are small that after paying for pts for 30+ years that you wil even draw, might as well save for goat and moose in AK and hunt sheep in MT.

2101.75 for Big 3 tags in Idaho. Of course, the odds were way better before they stopped making people front the money and just instituted a 41.75 tag application fee. But, you have a chance to draw every year you apply. I still think AK might be the surest bet lol.

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