Co point banking revisited…

[Overdrive]

It would be interesting to see the data from the last time Colorado did point banking. Obviously a lot has changed since then and point creep has gotten way worse. It would still be interesting to see how many took advantage of it, how it affected mid and low point areas etc. I'm guessing it didn't make much of a wave.

They only did it for one draw year so I don't think there's any good data there to show a change in PP's at any level. If the CPW wants to see a change in PP data they'd have to do point banking for at least 5 years to see the effects.

 

[CoHiCntry]

They only did it for one draw year so I don't think there's any good data there to show a change in PP's at any level. If the CPW wants to see a change in PP data they'd have to do point banking for at least 5 years to see the effects.

That's fair. I'm sure you're right, it would take a few years to see the affects. It would still be interesting to see how many people took advantage of it that year and how many high point holders if any took the bait. I remember having maybe 4 deer points at the time with no real plan for them so I spent them on a couple 2-point draws.

 

[Hnthrdr]

It would be interesting to see the data from the last time Colorado did point banking. Obviously a lot has changed since then and point creep has gotten way worse. It would still be interesting to see how many took advantage of it, how it affected mid and low point areas etc. I'm guessing it didn't make much of a wave.

No that’s valid, partly because I think they tried it almost 18 years ago, (maybe 06 ish) 18years ago Co was a heck of a different place. Western hunting was a way less in demand. And it only lasted 1 year since I think no one really used it. Shoot 18 years ago I could otc a lot of draw units with my bow, and unit 49 you could get an archery tag for 1 point

 

[ckleeves]

Im kinda impartial on point banking and averaging. Part of me says take the gloves off for a 5 year season structure and allow both. Yep, it’s gonna suck. There will be point creep in the lower tier units. Rip that bandaid off and let’s get it over with. You can look at the recap and see what’s in the pipeline and it’s not good.

The mid tier units will continue to creep out of sight as more and more people realize that they aren’t catching the top tier in their lifetime. People worried about point creep in the low tier units might need to be concerned about the amount of 7-15 point holders who could potentially start jumping into low tier units when they realize what the future looks like.

The other side of me says leave it as is, people got into this mess by not looking closely at the recap and seeing what’s happening.

I think no matter which side you’re on there is pain coming. When for example 76 2nd rifle takes 15 points and 66 muzzy takes 20 you realize just how worthless that fat stack of points you have accumulated are.

I’m looking more at the non-res side, it’s not as bad for us CO residents.

 

[realunlucky]

Im kinda impartial on point banking and averaging. Part of me says take the gloves off for a 5 year season structure and allow both. Yep, it’s gonna suck. There will be point creep in the lower tier units. Rip that bandaid off and let’s get it over with. You can look at the recap and see what’s in the pipeline and it’s not good.

The mid tier units will continue to creep out of sight as more and more people realize that they aren’t catching the top tier in their lifetime. People worried about point creep in the low tier units might need to be concerned about the amount of 7-15 point holders who could potentially start jumping into low tier units when they realize what the future looks like.

The other side of me says leave it as is, people got into this mess by not looking closely at the recap and seeing what’s happening.

I think no matter which side you’re on there is pain coming. When for example 76 2nd rifle takes 15 points and 66 muzzy takes 20 you realize just how worthless that fat stack of points you have accumulated are.

I’m looking more at the non-res side, it’s not as bad for us CO residents.

This snap shot of residents points it also applies to nonresidents although at a different percentage.

It makes even less sense for non residents to support a small majority of hunters sucking up all the opportunities.

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[ckleeves]

This snap shot of residents points it also applies to nonresidents although at a different percentage.

It makes even less sense for non residents to support a small majority of hunters sucking up all the opportunities.

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Tons of people jumped in when pay up front went away so there was a rush into doing multiple species especially Pronghorn and bear apps spiking the -5 category. There are more 1,2 and 3 point pronghorn point holders than the rest of the pool combined I believe. Deer would also have lower high point holders because of no otc. If you looked at it species by species it would look different. Same reason elk has the worst creep, a higher % of higher point holders.

Like I said, I’m impartial, just pointing out what I see as a little misleading. Colorado is beyond repair as far as I’m concerned without some major changes, namely lose points with any antlered tag including buying LO vouchers.

 

[ckleeves]

The other question would be who benefits in 10-20 years? I really don’t know that’s a honest question that nobody has the answer for because nobody knows how many people would use banking/averaging.

I find it crazy that banking is something CPW is interested in when the better fixes to curbing rampant point creep are right in front of their face. But that affects their massive revenue so it’s off limits.

 

[venado mula]

Honestly, I had to look that up, some how I have missed it. So you're telling me there's a chance?
I can't even see saving up 5 points, OTC was painful last year with the number of people I ran into.

It's interesting to hear guys complain about the amount of hunting pressure in OTC units in Colorado. Does every hunter hunt the same area or do the same thing? Colorado is big, nasty country and if you have the means to get to the really shitty country I feel you could limit the amount of people you see. Just curious?

 

[Hnthrdr]

The other question would be who benefits in 10-20 years? I really don’t know that’s a honest question that nobody has the answer for because nobody knows how many people would use banking/averaging.

I find it crazy that banking is something CPW is interested in when the better fixes to curbing rampant point creep are right in front of their face. But that affects their massive revenue so it’s off limits.

This is the real issue, acting like banking will help when they could really cut down on it by saying no more points and hunting, either you get a point or you get to hunt, not both. Same with leftover, second draw, vouchers… you lose all your points if you have a tag in your pocket

 

[ckleeves]

This is the real issue, acting like banking will help when they could really cut down on it by saying no more points and hunting, either you get a point or you get to hunt, not both. Same with leftover, second draw, vouchers… you lose all your points if you have a tag in your pocket

Take it easy with the common sense logic. No place for that with CPW when there are $$$ on the line.

I understand their logic, let’s say I had 1.7 million people who needed concrete poured. I charge top dollar, I’m the only player in town, I don’t care if your happy, I can do a piss pour job and I’m pretty confident your still going to use me again no matter how much you bitch to your neighbors. And they are gonna use me too.

Why would I do anything different and make less money?

 

[Maverick1]

I’m certain this thread will solve the problem.

 

[Hnthrdr]

Take it easy with the common sense logic. No place for that with CPW when there are $$$ on the line.

I understand their logic, let’s say I had 1.7 million people who needed concrete poured. I charge top dollar, I’m the only player in town, I don’t care if your happy, I can do a piss pour job and I’m pretty confident your still going to use me again no matter how much you bitch to your neighbors. And they are gonna use me too.

Why would I do anything different and make less money?

You are right they are the only option. That right there is the problem, total lack of any type of accountability and oversight of a government organization. I wonder if we elected commissioners if it would be a different story if they had to answers to sportsmen? Ah I can dream I guess