CO Legality ??

[tdhanses]

Ok so when the Garmin bowsite came out we all knew it wasn’t legal in CO, it measures a distance and then places a pin for distance.

So I was watching the latest Born and Raised Outdoors YouTube videos where they are rifle hunting in CO, why is it the Sig BDX is legal, it measures and places a pin for the shooter for a measured distance?

Or is it not legal and these guys just plastered themselves all over the internet breaking the law in CO? But kicker, they were at a hunt sponsored by Sig. I’d be very interested to see if Sig contacted CPW to verify if their BDX system is legal or if they just got a bunch of guys to break the law?

If the BDX system is legal in states that don’t allow this for archery, is that not hypocritical of the state laws? Also I get the BDX system is not an all in one unit but come on, it is the same system as what the Garmin system does, it measures a distance and places a pin to shoot at that distance, all electronically.

Thoughts?

 

[5MilesBack]

I don't know of any regulations that restrict electronics on a rifle, but there are regulations that prohibit those electronics on a bow........especially range finding.

 

[tdhanses]

I don't know of any regulations that restrict electronics on a rifle, but there are regulations that prohibit those electronics on a bow........especially range finding.

Interesting, I guess I would assume if not legal on a bow it wouldn’t be on a rifle. I’m also not up on the regs for rifle so maybe it is perfectly fine.

 

[GotDraw?]

@tdhanses
That is a really GREAT question- you're probably going to have to go to the source and ask CO Fish & Game. Post up what they have to say about it.

JL

Ok so when the Garmin bowsite came out we all knew it wasn’t legal in CO, it measures a distance and then places a pin for distance.

So I was watching the latest Born and Raised Outdoors YouTube videos where they are rifle hunting in CO, why is it the Sig BDX is legal, it measures and places a pin for the shooter for a measured distance?

Or is it not legal and these guys just plastered themselves all over the internet breaking the law in CO? But kicker, they were at a hunt sponsored by Sig. I’d be very interested to see if Sig contacted CPW to verify if their BDX system is legal or if they just got a bunch of guys to break the law?

If the BDX system is legal in states that don’t allow this for archery, is that not hypocritical of the state laws? Also I get the BDX system is not an all in one unit but come on, it is the same system as what the Garmin system does, it measures a distance and places a pin to shoot at that distance, all electronically.

Thoughts?

 

[tdhanses]

Actually in looking at the regs looks like only cal, bullet weight and energy are the limitations on a rifle, crazy. Oh yeah can’t be fully automatic as well.

So it’s perfectly legal for a rifle.

 

[87TT]

Why not? Look at all the modern crap on muzzleloaders.

 

[tdhanses]

Why not? Look at all the modern crap on muzzleloaders.

I’m not saying it should be illegal, just that it’s hypocritical it’s legal on a rifle.

 

[TraderMike]

Why not? Look at all the modern crap on muzzleloaders.

Such as?

 

[87TT]

Inline ignition, scopes, sabots, rifled slugs. Not really much of a reason for special seasons.

 

[Jbehredt]

Inline ignition, scopes, sabots, rifled slugs. Not really much of a reason for special seasons.

Half of those aren’t legal on a CO muzzleloader.

 

[87TT]

Not up on CO laws but should be primitive only to be fair IMO.

 

[Megalodon]

Take it for what it’s worth but I know a guy that got confirmation from Bob Thompson with CPW that the BDX is legal. I didn’t directly see the communication, but trust the source.

The difference was that it isn’t all in one, the ballistic calculations were done on a paired phone instead of onboard the rifle optic.

 

[Billy Goat]

I turned on Lee and Tiffany once because they were doing a Colorado elk hunt. They started with a bow, then went to the muzzleloader after they were seeing the same bull everyday, in the same place and couldn't get within range for a bow shot. They used a sig bdx on the muzzleloader and promoted it. I couldn't figure out how they legally did that.

But thought about it later and figured either they had purchased a governor's tag or it was a private ranch.

 

[PassCreek]

In CO, what you can put on your rifle, bow, or muzzleloader are totally different.

I was told I couldn't put a camera on my bow or use those nocks that light up when you fire them. I was told if it's electronic, I can't use it on my bow. It saves me some money I guess.

There aren't many limitations on rifles in CO. Muzzleloaders, don't use scopes, pelletized powder, or sabots (Powerbelts are OK).

 

[tdhanses]

Not up on CO laws but should be primitive only to be fair IMO.

And trad bow only in archery, . All I’m saying is technology should be consistently applied across all weapons, either allow it or don’t.

 

[tdhanses]

In CO, what you can put on your rifle, bow, or muzzleloader are totally different.

I was told I couldn't put a camera on my bow or use those nocks that light up when you fire them. I was told if it's electronic, I can't use it on my bow. It saves me some money I guess.

There aren't many limitations on rifles in CO. Muzzleloaders, don't use scopes, pelletized powder, or sabots (Powerbelts are OK).

FYI... you can put your camera on a bow and use lighted knocks, that changed a while ago.

 

[87TT]

And trad bow only in archery, . All I’m saying is technology should be consistently applied across all weapons, either allow it or don’t.

Works for me but it seems that if they are going to allow ML an early season because it is a "close range" weapon, it should be patched ball and loose powder with open sights.

 

[Jbehredt]

It is loose powder and open sights

 

[tdhanses]

It is loose powder and open sights

And no sabots.

 

[ericF]

The Sig BDX is perfectly legal to use in Colorado whereas the Burris Eliminator is illegal to use. If you look at the big game regulations, it says you cannot use a Smart Rifle for hunting. The problem is they don't specifically call out what a smart rifle is so then you have to go search through the Colorado regulations to find it.

As shown below and for our purposes a smart rifle is a rifle that is equipped with a ballistics computer. The Sig BDX scope does not have a ballistic computer on it whereas the Burris Eliminator does. Now you can argue that the BDX communicates with something that does have a ballistic computer, but it is moot because the regulation is pretty straightforward in this case. It has to have a ballistic computer in the firearm itself to be a smart rifle. Granted the commission may change the definition of a smart rifle eventually as I've heard they aren't happy with the BDX on another forum, but as of now it is still legal.


https://www.sos.state.co.us/CCR/GenerateRulePdf.do?ruleVersionId=7485&fileName=2 CCR 406-0

D. Smart Rifles 1. All firearms used to take or attempt to take wildlife shall be fired only by humanly controlled, manually-operated mechanical triggers. No person shall use a smart rifle to take or attempt to take wildlife. 2. “Smart Rifle” means any firearm that is equipped with one or more of the following: a. A target tracking system; b. An electronically-controlled, electronically-assisted, or computer-linked trigger; c. A ballistics computer.