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In my political conversations with Democrats I find them to be largely ignorant of history, emotion-based, single issue voters with amazingly closed minds. They also lack volume control of their voice when their "facts" are completely disproven. They get loud or go silent.

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Good on you if you have an actual "conversation" with a democrat because that means you would be listening to them. To suggest that dems are the only single issue, ignorant, emotion-based voters is laughable. See the topic the mod waved the yellow flag on above as an example. Republicans literally invented the single issue voter.
 
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In spite of my post-election depression, I must point out the obvious because common sense is apparently not common enough. Regarding Roe v Wade; explain to me why abortion is even an issue nowadays. It’s not the 40s anymore…now we have endless choices in contraceptives, the day-after pill (RU486) and/or unless you are in the business of selling infant baby organs or (like Planned Parenthood) have an agenda to prevent the growth of the African-American population in America, abortion is unnecessary. Don’t take my word for it…listen to the DIRECTOR who revealed the truth about Planned Parenthood. Their name should be Black Lives Don’t Matter cuz they are killing em wholesale. If you think abortion is a right and Planned Parenthood is a good thing after watching this video…congratulations, you are a racist idiot. Got a logical argument? I’ll wait.

If you are okay with this...you are not okay. It's not about "...a woman's body or her right to choose..." because it isn't her body being destroyed and her body parts being sold.

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There's a much more evil (Democrat-based) agenda here.

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Even if the Left was successful is USING this "issue" to their benefit...the decision is still the right one and sometimes there's an unjust price to be paid for doing the right thing.

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Thanks for the seminar. I didn't say anything about my stance on abortion, i'm no proponent. I'm merely suggesting that overturning Roe v Wade and the laws proposed after were likely damaging to the overall balance of republicans elected.
 
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As it will be in the future, it was at the birth of Man
There are only four things certain since Social Progress began.
That the Dog returns to his Vomit and the Sow returns to her Mire,
And the burnt Fool's bandaged finger goes wabbling back to the Fire;

And that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins
When all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sins,
As surely as Water will wet us, as surely as Fire will burn,
The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!
Another way of saying hard times make strong people, strong people make good times, good times make soft people and soft people make hard times...

I think we're about 3/4 of the way into that. LOL
 
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If you're a Christian, then you believe "those" people are also children of God. "Those people" also do all the jobs that entitled white kids (and adults) are no longer willing to do, which is why they come. Because they are employed by people like djt so they don't have to pay a real wage that would cut in to the owner's profits.
YEP your correct, let those children of god fix ther own country, and not mess mine up.
 
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This is probably true, but that just clarifies how ignorant most of the voting public are. All that decision did was "rightfully" restore state's Constitutional rights to decide matters not covered under the Constitution. There never was a "right" to abortion like the left always claims, and those grandma's they had in the commercials claiming that "the right just wants to take away our rights", was absolutely ridiculously stupid. But most voters don't understand how the Constitution was written, what it says and doesn't say, and how it all works.

Don't disagree. Constitution aside, making it a state issue likely helped a lot of dems get elected to state government positions.
 
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Believe what you want but Trumps endorsement is possibly the most valuable currency in the history of elections.

174-9 yesterday.

I am not a “fringe” voter or “extremist” and I would vote for him again .


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Edit: deleted prior message to clarify - what is 174-9? the W-L of 183 candidates Trump endorsed? Only 9 of 183 endorsed lost to democrats?

If you're talking about the primaries, that's an eye opening fact that proves my point. My feeling is that the election denier MAGA crowd bowling over republicans who don't fall in line results in candidates that are are less likely to get the moderate/independent votes.
 
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In 2020, folks saw what could be accomplished with mail-in ballots and now here we are again.
Like what could be accomplished, having the opportunity to vote and voice your opinion since Election Day isn't a national holiday and people have to work? So giving them the opportunity to vote via other means than getting off work early, or taking the day off entirely standing in line for hours is somehow some big conspiracy and a bad thing? You're basically saying that everyone having the right to vote hurts Republicans. In other words, democracy hurts Republicans.
 

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Actually, career politicians come and go. Career administrators "run" the government and do their best to limit the amount of damage that career politicians do. But they aren't always successful.
Talked to a buddy the other day that, in a former life, did some consulting for the state of New Jersey. The folks he worked with were career administrators and jokingly referred to themselves as the "weebee's". He asked them what it stood for, and the said "we be here before they are elected and we be here after they are gone".
 

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Edit: deleted prior message to clarify - what is 174-9? the W-L of 183 candidates Trump endorsed? Only 9 of 183 endorsed lost to democrats?

Yes, that was the record for his endorsement yesterday.

Not that it means much.

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Edit: deleted prior message to clarify - what is 174-9? the W-L of 183 candidates Trump endorsed?
Yes, although those numbers probably dont tell the whole story. Overall this year he has endorsed over 300 people. He has also endorsed many people that won unopposed. There is no way to say that his endorsement caused the win. So many people are party voters it wouldn't matter who endorsed them.

I think DJT is good at picking winners, not making winners.

You are probably right.
 

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Thanks for the seminar. I didn't say anything about my stance on abortion, i'm no proponent. I'm merely suggesting that overturning Roe v Wade and the laws proposed after were likely damaging to the overall balance of republicans elected.
100% spot on. IMO if some republicans hadn't tripped over themselves in their zeal to enact abortion restrictions, and rather had waited until after the mid-terms, yesterday would have played out much more favorably for the party. There are lots of single-issue voters on both sides of the aisle, and for many women - on both sides of the aisle - abortion is that one issue.
 

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Like what could be accomplished, having the opportunity to vote and voice your opinion since Election Day isn't a national holiday and people have to work? So giving them the opportunity to vote via other means than getting off work early, or taking the day off entirely standing in line for hours is somehow some big conspiracy and a bad thing? You're basically saying that everyone having the right to vote hurts Republicans. In other words, democracy hurts Republicans.
You do know they will only issue absentee ballots to democrats, right? ;-)

Count me as someone who is tired of the mail-in ballot excuse as a reason for Republicans losing elections. That is part of the issue with the Republican party today, constantly taking the easy way out by blaming the Democrats for the failures rather than introspection. As it stands, neither party seems to want to carry the torch of personal responsibility.
 
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I think I agree with @wind gypsy and @MattB. Here in Kansas, usually a pretty strong Republican lean, we had an abortion amendment to the state constitution that we voted on on Aug 2. I was pretty surprised to see our D governor get re-elected, and they also gerrymandered the US rep districts and the D still managed to get re-elected. I can only conclude the abortion issue motivated folks to show up whereas they might have stayed home during the mid term.
 

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Like what could be accomplished, having the opportunity to vote and voice your opinion since Election Day isn't a national holiday and people have to work? So giving them the opportunity to vote via other means than getting off work early, or taking the day off entirely standing in line for hours is somehow some big conspiracy and a bad thing? You're basically saying that everyone having the right to vote hurts Republicans. In other words, democracy hurts Republicans.
I have no problems with absentee ballots, as a veteran who served overseas this was great. My three big issues with mail in ballots are that 1) they are mailed out a month(s) in advance and they asked you to return them asap, even before debates happen. I wonder if folks that saw Fetterman debates, who had already mailed in their ballots had a little concern from his responses, or lack thereof. 2) States that do mail in ballots to all residents even if not requested. This makes the voter responsible for the ballot even if they intend to vote in person. 3) state election officials expecting low voter turnout because mail in ballots # were high. This happened in multiple states, there were ballot and voting machine shortages, and made people wait for hours becasue of issues. Bill Galvin, the Mass secretary of state, said on the news yesterday morning that voter turnout was expected to be low, but it was the complete opposite, leading to ballot shortages and longer waits. Why even say that?

Make election day a holiday, and mail in ballots need to be requested, not mass mailings.
 

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Like what could be accomplished, having the opportunity to vote and voice your opinion since Election Day isn't a national holiday and people have to work? So giving them the opportunity to vote via other means than getting off work early, or taking the day off entirely standing in line for hours is somehow some big conspiracy and a bad thing? You're basically saying that everyone having the right to vote hurts Republicans. In other words, democracy hurts Republicans.
In Oregon, my deceased grandparents each received a ballot in the mail two years ago. One of my grandparents passed in '19, the other in '15. I'll have to call my dad to see if they received one for yesterday's election.
 
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