Cimmaron vs 4 man

[Skeeter]

Looking for a relatively lightweight setup for me and my son to do some hiking and camping. Most hiking trips will be 10 miles or less total over a 2 -3 day trip. Can't decide between the Cimmaron and 4 man. Looks like the Cimmaron with stakes, stove jack and carbon pole is going to run around 60 oz maybe. 4 man with everything (minus liners) would appear to be around 72 oz without screens, or 85 oz with screens.

I like the weight of the Cimmaron. However, I like the standup room and option to have screen doors and run a liner with the 4 man. I also like the Redcliff, but looks like it may run 8-10 oz more than the 4 man, and I will be packing most of the weight since my son is still young.

Are the weights I have listed close to accurate? Anyone have an opinion on which I should chose and why? Seems they all have some pluses and minuses. Thanks

 

[reaper]

My 4 man is about 6 pounds total with both liner,one door with screen and a lot of paracord inside(clothes line)+cordlock on guyouts.Compress pretty small too when using a stuff sack like kifaru.I really like mine,for summer i take the liners off.For the size the 4 man is an awesome shelter and i dont regret my choice.

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[Skeeter]

Nice! I wondered if anyone had requested just one screen to save a little weight. Also, with only one screen and without liners that would get it down to around 4 lbs 12 oz. if my math is correct, that's only 1 lb more than a Cimmaron with stove jack, stakes and carbon pole.

 

[Felix40]

I just switched from a 4 man to a redcliff. For me the redcliff is a perfect shelter. It's 90 oz with an aluminum pole. The square corners really add to the amount of useable space. I imagine the same could be said about the cimmaron but from the pictures I've seen it looks tight for more than two people and I have a family of 3. Just depends on what you are wanting. Don't forget to add the cost and weight of a stove jack to the cimmaron.

 

[reaper]

Nice! I wondered if anyone had requested just one screen to save a little weight. Also, with only one screen and without liners that would get it down to around 4 lbs 12 oz. if my math is correct, that's only 1 lb more than a Cimmaron with stove jack, stakes and carbon pole.

I made my screen door myself,easy to do and cost me 20$Its not for bugs its only to have a view,bugs will always find a way.
Yes 4 man its about 4 lbs without liners and stuff...my wife,my little girl,my lab dog and i fitt really great in the 4 man...you can also use nest for more bugs protection.

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[Chad Wallin]

I am in the same boat. I now have a family of 4 and we have outgrown our 3P Nemo tent which is about 5lbs. Since my boys are limited to car camping right now because they are too young to go into the backcountry I have been packing the Nemo on all my solo hunting and backpacking trips. I am rally considering the Cimarron because its lighter than what I am packing now but I am concerned that I'll be in the same boat again with too small of a shelter for me and my two boys when they get old enough to go on hunts and hikes so I am thinking about the Radcliff as well since its about the same weight as what I am currently packing. Is three or four pushing the size limits of the Cimarron?

 

[Tex68w]

To me the liners in the 4 Man make it a better option when compared to the Cimarron but it obviously comes with a weight and cost penalty. My biggest concern is which of these two manufactures uses the more durable material?

 

[luke moffat]

To me the liners in the 4 Man make it a better option when compared to the Cimarron but it obviously comes with a weight and cost penalty. My biggest concern is which of these two manufactures uses the more durable material?

Pitching a floorless shelter just a couple inches suspended off the ground allows for much more airflow and eliminates the need for a liner for me in nearly all situations. The only time I thought I needed a liner (and I foolishly bought one) was when I first used my Kifaru Sawtooth prior to putting adjustable guy lines on the stake loops and thus force to pitch it tight to the ground and it did get to the point where it was dripping in there on an extremely wet night in the Alaska range that had creeks flooding and people stranded.

I since then I have pitched it suspended to allow air flow and condensation hasn't been an issue. I likely will sell the liner to recoup some of the money off of it. Especially with a stove in there a liner just seems excessive and added weight so long as you can get good airflow in there.

 

[Tex68w]

Pitching a floorless shelter just a couple inches suspended off the ground allows for much more airflow and eliminates the need for a liner for me in nearly all situations. The only time I thought I needed a liner (and I foolishly bought one) was when I first used my Kifaru Sawtooth prior to putting adjustable guy lines on the stake loops and thus force to pitch it tight to the ground and it did get to the point where it was dripping in there on an extremely wet night in the Alaska range that had creeks flooding and people stranded.

I since then I have pitched it suspended to allow air flow and condensation hasn't been an issue. I likely will sell the liner to recoup some of the money off of it. Especially with a stove in there a liner just seems excessive and added weight so long as you can get good airflow in there.

With a stove I agree that the liner is worthless but not everyone will use a stove nor will some of us use on year round. I think there's a place for the liners on the market.

 

[luke moffat]

With a stove I agree that the liner is worthless but not everyone will use a stove nor will some of us use on year round. I think there's a place for the liners on the market.

I winter camp with my Floorless as well...though not right now its -20F out there!!

Like i said properly pitching the shelter eliminates mosts needs for a liner in my experience but if you wanna spend the money and want the extra weight be my guest man.

 

[reaper]

I like and use the Luke Moffat pitching a lot with my 4 man but when its cold or got wind and the stove died in the night when you sleep...a cold breeze or just cold air is not really fun,i only use this pitching in summer times.

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[Hall256]

I like and use the Luke Moffat pitching a lot with my 4 man but when its cold or got wind and the stove died in the night when you sleep...a cold breeze or just cold air is not really fun,i only use this pitching in summer times.

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Reaper,
Is there enough slack on the loops to pitch it a little off the ground, or did you have to tie additional cord extensions? Also, the the pole SO provide allow enough length to elevate it off the ground, and if so how much? If the pole doesnt have the additional length, did you simply place it on a rock or something to get the additional height? Last question, the nest that you showed in your picture, is that the nest SO sells, or is that from another maker? The reason i ask, I thought I read SO nest is a tight fit in the 4 Man, but yours looked like it had plenty of room. Thanks for any help.

As soon as my wife forgets all the gear I bought last year, the SO 4 Man is at the of my list to buy.

 

[reaper]

Reaper,
Is there enough slack on the loops to pitch it a little off the ground, or did you have to tie additional cord extensions? Also, the the pole SO provide allow enough length to elevate it off the ground, and if so how much? If the pole doesnt have the additional length, did you simply place it on a rock or something to get the additional height? Last question, the nest that you showed in your picture, is that the nest SO sells, or is that from another maker? The reason i ask, I thought I read SO nest is a tight fit in the 4 Man, but yours looked like it had plenty of room. Thanks for any help.

As soon as my wife forgets all the gear I bought last year, the SO 4 Man is at the of my list to buy.

Hahaha...the wife never forget lol

Not a SO nest, cheap chinese sh%t but it work great for the girls.

I bought a second pole for summer time,longer pole for the higher pitch and yes i add extensions to it with simple paracord and cordlock,seekoutside sell extensions on their website too.
You can also use rock or logs to raise your pole.Imagination is your friend,one day i used a deer skull than we found in the woods to raise the pole in the tipi,was a good laughing lol.

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[Hall256]

Reaper,
Thank you for the info, and I agree a little ingenuity goes a long way in the field. Now to work on making the wife happy so i can buy it, or work on convincing her that i had the Tipi and stove in the garage this whole time and she just didnt notice it...LOL.