Cimarron Vs Sawtooth?

[devildog.34]

I've been looking at both of these set ups. I can get the Cimarron, stove,jack, and pole for about the price of just the Sawtooth minus the stove. Has anyone had both to compare?

 

[luke moffat]

Yes I bought and own both. The cimmaron will get used more no doubt but late season and on fly outs the sawtooth will get the nod. My cimmaron I bought intentionally without a stove jack to keep the weight down. The sawtooth is bigger and heavier but I would also trust it in a bad wind storm more given its shape and guy out points. That said the cimmaron is no slouch either. That said if I was forced to own one shelter to do everything from my 100 mile backcountry through hikes to late season fly outs on Kodiak I would get the sawtooth. If setting up mostly in treelike or not worried too much about crazy winds and not on flyouts where hiking out isnt an option then the weight savings and cost savings of the cimmaron is hard to ignore.

 

[Take-a-knee]

The sawtooth is bigger and heavier but I would also trust it in a bad wind storm more given its shape and guy out points.

I know you and Stid have both had your Sawtooths in some good blows but I still question the above statement. A "mid", of which the Cimmaron is the latest version, has a solid history of alpine, IE extended Kahiltna and Muldrow glacier use on Denali. Not so much so for "stand up" shelters.

 

[tipsntails7]

I know you and Stid have both had your Sawtooths in some good blows but I still question the above statement. A "mid", of which the Cimmaron is the latest version, has a solid history of alpine, IE extended Kahiltna and Muldrow glacier use on Denali. Not so much so for "stand up" shelters.

The only problem I see is the cimarron has zero guy out points besides at the bottom, that would be a concern of mine.

 

[Floorguy]

The only problem I see is the cimarron has zero guy out points besides at the bottom, that would be a concern of mine.

If you look at the photos on SO'S website it shows mid height guy outs. The bt2 doesn't though.

 

[7mag.]

The only problem I see is the cimarron has zero guy out points besides at the bottom, that would be a concern of mine.

It actually has two guyouts, one at each end. In my opinion, not nearly enough.

 

[luke moffat]

I know you and Stid have both had your Sawtooths in some good blows but I still question the above statement. A "mid", of which the Cimmaron is the latest version, has a solid history of alpine, IE extended Kahiltna and Muldrow glacier use on Denali. Not so much so for "stand up" shelters.

I have thought the same thing as well. However talking to a couple of my buddy's that have been on the mountain they mega-mids are rarely if ever used as a shelter for sleeping. Mostly used as a gear storage and cooking style tents. More than once they have seen them blow over, which is why they don't only take a megamid to sleep in. They trust their sleeping gear and lives with real 4 season tents not a floorless mid on the mountain.

That and your comment about "stand up" shelters is assuming the Cimarron isn't a stand up shelter? There is only about a 6" difference in peak height from the sawtooth to the Cimarron so both are quite a bit taller than the 57" max peak height of the Black Diamond mid you mention. I would consider both the Sawtooth and the Cimarron "stand up" shelters and thus have much more surface area sticking up for the wind to work on it than the Black Diamond mega mid which is not only much shorter but smaller in all dimensions as well.

Just basing my experience on how a 6' tall mid (SL-5) holds up in wind compared to the 6.5' tall Sawtooth. I can say for a fact that in my experience the Sawtooths profile design of the shelter lends itself to hold up in the wind much better than a standard mid. However, like I mentioned the Sawtooth is heavier than a mid of similar sq footage so one obviously has to weigh what they are looking for in a shelter. I still think for a one and done do it all shelter given my uses the Sawtooth would be it. But many don't have my uses either and a mid style tipi maybe be just the ticket to save them some money and weight.

Tipsntails and Floorguy, the Cimarron only has 2 mid height guy outs. Which I would have liked to see 4 but we shall see how this works out with more testing. Thus far only 3 nights in it means I have much more testing and using it to do before I can really draw more permanent conclusions. I will say I dig the slightly more rectangular floor layout of the Cimmaron over the SL-5 for how my wife and I use the shelter.

 

[dreamingbig]

This one has lots of guy puts!

 

[tipsntails7]

If you look at the photos on SO'S website it shows mid height guy outs. The bt2 doesn't though.

My mistake, I did not see those before, or in any setup photos so far of the tent.