Chaffetz at the Western Hunting and Conservation Expo?

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Is it worth boycotting the western hunting and conservation expo all together knowing that Jason Chaffetz, who is anti public lands, is going to be the keynote speaker? When I heard he was the speaker it ruined my excitement for the expo, and now it seems like the whole thing is kind of corrupt.
 

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Is it worth boycotting the western hunting and conservation expo all together knowing that Jason Chaffetz, who is anti public lands, is going to be the keynote speaker? When I heard he was the speaker it ruined my excitement for the expo, and now it seems like the whole thing is kind of corrupt.
You didn't think it was corrupt BEFORE you found out Chaffetz would be speaking?!?

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Chaffetz has made his views plenty clear over the years. Not sure what you need to know other then looking at his past actions.

Past actions don't necessarily tell you "why" he did something. I'm not necessarily "for" all the federal land ownership that we have, but I'm "for" having public lands. Actions don't tell you reasons or motives, but he should be able to tell you one on one. If people only go off of how things are spun by the media, they'll never understand the truth, the motives, or the actions.
 

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He is the chief architect of Public land transfer, along w Mike Lee, both from UT. For those who don't google, this is coverage of his latest effort @ taking our public land and handing it over to other owners:
https://www.theguardian.com/environ...ands-sell-congress-bureau-management-chaffetz
In which you will read UT Republican conservation groups wanted his head. And they got it. So now he is looking for work, and It is not going well:
https://www.deseretnews.com/article...n-Chaffetzs-sudden-decision-to-walk-away.html
 

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Chaffetz has made his views plenty clear over the years. Not sure what you need to know other then looking at his past actions.

Yes but as we know with folks that are anti hunting/firearms it's better to befriend them and attempt to educate them. Then they'llchange their mind and see the light. Right? Or is this different?
 

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He is the chief architect of Public land transfer, along w Mike Lee, both from UT.

And have you ever seen or heard him explain his reasoning for that? Like I said earlier, I'm not against land transfers, but that doesn't automatically mean I'm against public land. So who has actually talked to the guy to get his reasoning's?
 
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Most here probably hasn't bothered to talk to any "evil" person that is for letting public land pay for itself. They get their info fed to them by their "conservation" groups. Every single politician that has been charged for being against public land, is doing so to make the economy in their state better. These huge tracts of public lands are not only a dead weight to those economies but, are the problem affecting these areas since resource development is a big no no on these lands. Because the same people that want to twist things like that into these politicians being evil people, will be the first to sue or, cry foul during the management plan comment period of a plan revision that advises of the natural resources extraction. Forcing a stop to the development process. Ending up in a court room. Where a liberal judge puts a halt to the process by implying restrictions not feasible to continue.


Gentlemen, I do not support truly public land transfer to the states. But, I'm smart enough to realize that in order to keep all public and federal lands open to future Americans, we had better learn to compromise. They are a net loss to any government entity as is. If they were to be utilized to produce revenue, you'd see most all serious proponents of land transfer change their mind on the subject. I make a living in Natural Resource utilization. I've worked for government and private industry in the coal and timber sectors. Responsible management is not only possible but demanded when operating on public or federal lands. It can be done to benefit EVER entity involved. With improved wildlife habitat leading that pack. Regardless of who says so. That is the science behind it and no party punchline will change that.

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Most here probably hasn't bothered to talk to any "evil" person that is for letting public land pay for itself. They get their info fed to them by their "conservation" groups. Every single politician that has been charged for being against public land, is doing so to make the economy in their state better. These huge tracts of public lands are not only a dead weight to those economies but, are the problem affecting these areas since resource development is a big no no on these lands. Because the same people that want to twist things like that into these politicians being evil people, will be the first to sue or, cry foul during the management plan comment period of a plan revision that advises of the natural resources extraction. Forcing a stop to the development process. Ending up in a court room. Where a liberal judge puts a halt to the process by implying restrictions not feasible to continue.


Gentlemen, I do not support truly public land transfer to the states. But, I'm smart enough to realize that in order to keep all public and federal lands open to future Americans, we had better learn to compromise. They are a net loss to any government entity as is. If they were to be utilized to produce revenue, you'd see most all serious proponents of land transfer change their mind on the subject. I make a living in Natural Resource utilization. I've worked for government and private industry in the coal and timber sectors. Responsible management is not only possible but demanded when operating on public or federal lands. It can be done to benefit EVER entity involved. With improved wildlife habitat leading that pack. Regardless of who says so. That is the science behind it and no party punchline will change that.

Have a good evening and God Bless

Public lands equal dead weight. Your freaking clueless as usual.

Annual visits: 32,759,956 Visits per resident: 11
Outdoor industry jobs: 110,000
Outdoor industry
consumer spending: $12.3 billio

This is just Utah...it’s accounts for about 13 % of the states GDP in just direct terms, add in indirect industries that benefit across state lines and the numbers are staggering. That’s a shit load of dead weight.

http://westernpriorities.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/290-Million-Visits-Report.pdf
 

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Certainly the smart, nuanced folks on the pro public land side wont act like "thoughtless saps" and refuse to have thoughtful discussion with the other side.

Make an effort to educate! Extend an olive branch. Maybe once educated, he might see the other side of the argument? I mean he is a hunter, do we want to continue eating our own?

Or are those sentiments only reserved for the liberal foes?
 
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James, before we start this again, I'm going to tell you to be civil. I was and, I will continue. But, I'm tired of BHA members shouting off insults because someone disagrees with the BHA's actions. It's something none of you would do in person more then once, the way you do it here. Read what I say instead of firing off with assumptions. We may not agree on how to support public and federal lands staying in public hands for our use but, we do agree that they should. I'm not your enemy. Calm down and be civil. We really do want the same things.

It's too easy to find statistics for any narrative out there to hinge such a diverse situation on a one sided approach. I never questioned how many people use the land. I'm certain it is a lot of people to the point that I am firmly on board with keeping it out of the states hands. However, using land doesn't automatically equate to revenue for all community's surrounded by these lands. You have to consider Usage is different in different areas. Not all the lands are utilized by the public. And, its the most rural community's suffering from the lack of opportunity due to the problems associated with public lands. PILT payments do not cover the loss of property and personal taxes for these rural county's country wide. With little land and incentive to build attractions, they are destined to be rural. Which precisely should be the opportunity's considered to be utilized to the benefit of every American.
 
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My posts here are no different then any where else. And, my intent is never hidden. And is always civil. However, your inability to recognize that disagreement doesn't require hard feelings is typical. But, it will never keep me from wishing people the best in civil communication. Its how I feel. But, you get that confused too. And, your response here really is no different then it always has been when you get a little bit of what you have given.

I hate you feel that way because it isn't mutual. Life will go on.
 

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IMO the Western Hunting Expo has been corrupt from the get go based on the appropriation of public tags, funny that it take Chaffetz speaking there to cause some to boycott the show.
 

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Is it worth boycotting the western hunting and conservation expo all together knowing that Jason Chaffetz, who is anti public lands, is going to be the keynote speaker? When I heard he was the speaker it ruined my excitement for the expo, and now it seems like the whole thing is kind of corrupt.
It's ran by SFW. You mean it took Chaffetz speaking to make you think it's corrupt? Lol

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Public lands equal dead weight. Your freaking clueless as usual.

Annual visits: 32,759,956 Visits per resident: 11
Outdoor industry jobs: 110,000
Outdoor industry
consumer spending: $12.3 billio

This is just Utah...it’s accounts for about 13 % of the states GDP in just direct terms, add in indirect industries that benefit across state lines and the numbers are staggering. That’s a shit load of dead weight.

http://westernpriorities.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/290-Million-Visits-Report.pdf
Technically the examples you gave prove they are dead weight. That’s tax revenue going back into local economy or to the actual costs of Federal lands management? Did the inflow out preform the cost. No because the inflow never went into the costs. I’m not for federal land transfer to ANY state entity but we have to find a better “cost” share.

When it comes to checker boarded or isolated Public Land, how many states are going to approve corner crossing, even then there is a lot of land locked federal land. I personally think it’s a better deal for both sides to swap it for more public accessible. Easement is nothing more then eminent domain, not sure roads through people’s backyards are the anwser either.
 

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And have you ever seen or heard him explain his reasoning for that? Like I said earlier, I'm not against land transfers, but that doesn't automatically mean I'm against public land. So who has actually talked to the guy to get his reasoning's?

Seriously? How do you think that would go? He's a former house member. A career politician. I'm sure he'd shoot you straight about how he and his cronies stand to profit.
 
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