Cartridge insurance on game...

[MuleyFever]

 

[SamsonMan22]

I’m in the business of doing dangerous high risk stuff. I have paid a lot of money for insurance over the years and one thing I have learned is there is no guarantee it’s going to prevent a problem. Zero experience and lots of insurance will not keep a mistake from happening.

I carry the bare minimum insurance in order to satisfy the people that request I have some. I would rather rely on skill, experience, knowledge and luck than I ever would on insurance. The same goes for my hunting cartridges….

 

[77TMK]

I’m in the business of doing dangerous high risk stuff. I have paid a lot of money for insurance over the years and one thing I have learned is there is no guarantee it’s going to prevent a problem. Zero experience and lots of insurance will not keep a mistake from happening.

I carry the bare minimum insurance in order to satisfy the people that request I have some. I would rather rely on skill, experience, knowledge and luck than I ever would on insurance. The same goes for my hunting cartridges….

Some of the metaphors like this one in this very thread are running weird patterns around the more succinct statements they should have been from the start. Can you flush the poop in the bowl so the water is clear again?

 

[D Lee]

One comes on this forum to ask good questions...voice their RESPECTFUL opinions. Result? A lot of "sarcastic" remarks.

My post was about hunting "ethics." Just my "personal" opinions. Sierracharlie and Muley Fever...pls wait until you are 11 years old before posting.

On the post asking about the 270 Win being marginally effective on Elk. Like any cartridge, one has to know its limitations. The 270 Win is VERY effective on Elk, with the right bullet, even at half-way reasonable ranges. Same goes for all the other BG cartridges that meet...say a minimum on Ethics.

It's been long said...1,000 ft lbs for deer...1,500 ft lbs for Elk. Arguably, a reasoanble yardstick for terminal ballistics. Plug in your bullet data...JBM will give you both external and terminal ballistics. Keeping in mind the shooting distances you might be facing...choose your cartridge, bullet, load accordingly for the animal you are hunting. Are the ft lbs I stated above "rules?" No, they are not. Choose the cartridge you like. Just know and be ready to accept what happens when used outside of those "guidelines." We owe "a clean kill" to the game animal we are hunting

For example: a 22 rimfire is good for rats, rabbits, squirrels, etc. That same bullet to the head of a deer at close range...does not make the 22 rimfire a deer cartridge.

Rifles, cartridges and bullets are all choices. Ethics are not. Target ballistics are one thing...hunting ballistics are something else. Respectfully suggesting we all choose our gear wisely.

Happy New Year ya'll.

 

[Brandon.miller.4]

You're met with sarcastic comments because this same thread pops up weekly if not daily from one side voicing their opinion over the other. Nobody cares anymore, or maybe people care too much. It's great to give an opinion when asked but I think it'd be wise to preface that opinion with personal experiences. As has been stated by many already, most small cartridge guys started with 30 cal magnums. It's not uncommon by any means. I've yet to see someone who has been shown their effectiveness gravitate towards large calibers. You don't see the small cartridge guys (for the most part) jamming their opinions down other people's throats and forcing them to use them. Most simply provide their opinion, or facts, with evidence.

Now let the big gun guys do their thing, let the small gun guys do their thing. Theres sufficient data for me to make my choice. Those that choose not to accept the data, so be it.

 

[Wrench]

When considering that the 270 is effective one must ask if 13 thousandths of an inch of diameter is enough to make a difference.

I've been present for the death of more elk than most will believe and I have never seen a bullet to the lungs not kill an elk. It didn't matter if it was a 375 or a 224.....it's just effective.

I will agree that bigger holes tend to make better blood trails, but lung shot elk are rarely more than 100 yards from the impact point and typically more like 10-20.

When I hear people parrot what it takes to kill critters it makes me wonder if people are horrible shots or just inexperienced, because after you've seen a .257 100gr bullet pass through a Roosevelt elk at 400 yards or a dozen bang flops with a 140 match bullet, 243's absolutely scramble the lungs.....you realize that the shot and the impact velocity are far more critical than the bullet diameter or the headstamp.

 

[77TMK]

Wrapping nonsense up with a bow doesn’t make it sensible. Kinetic energy is a worthless metric for terminal performance in tissue and folks who parrot that garbage don’t deserve to be courted around when it’s 2024 and any effort on your part could have prevented you from perpetuating it further.

 

[KenLee]

What’s the likelihood that people shoot what they want without the need of informing other people on what they need to do? Applies to both sides

Slim and none, but Slim left on the morning stagecoach.

 

[SamsonMan22]

Some of the metaphors like this one in this very thread are running weird patterns around the more succinct statements they should have been from the start. Can you flush the poop in the bowl so the water is clear again?

You lost me on that one, it was a dumb metaphor in response to what I would consider to be a logic that doesn’t make a ton of sense to me? Simple answer use what suits you, who cares what everyone else is using.

 

[prm]

I think you (OP) meant assurance.

Any expanding bullet you put through vitals seems to work adequately. The lesson is, shoot what enables you to best place the bullet in the vitals.

Happy New Year!

 

[fwafwow]

The most repeated thread topics *or* posts?

As the subject says, what are the most repeated threads? I’m not throwing stones, as I’m pretty sure I’ve posted at least one of these. Best bino harness? Which broadhead? Best way to keep my feet warm? Alpha glass, or Vortex? [FL/Sitka/Leupold] sucks! 6.5/6 vs [270/25-06/7-08] ?

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One of my proudest moments

 

[MuleyFever]

One comes on this forum to ask good questions...voice their RESPECTFUL opinions. Result? A lot of "sarcastic" remarks.

My post was about hunting "ethics." Just my "personal" opinions. Sierracharlie and Muley Fever...pls wait until you are 11 years old before posting.

On the post asking about the 270 Win being marginally effective on Elk. Like any cartridge, one has to know its limitations. The 270 Win is VERY effective on Elk, with the right bullet, even at half-way reasonable ranges. Same goes for all the other BG cartridges that meet...say a minimum on Ethics.

It's been long said...1,000 ft lbs for deer...1,500 ft lbs for Elk. Arguably, a reasoanble yardstick for terminal ballistics. Plug in your bullet data...JBM will give you both external and terminal ballistics. Keeping in mind the shooting distances you might be facing...choose your cartridge, bullet, load accordingly for the animal you are hunting. Are the ft lbs I stated above "rules?" No, they are not. Choose the cartridge you like. Just know and be ready to accept what happens when used outside of those "guidelines." We owe "a clean kill" to the game animal we are hunting

For example: a 22 rimfire is good for rats, rabbits, squirrels, etc. That same bullet to the head of a deer at close range...does not make the 22 rimfire a deer cartridge.

Rifles, cartridges and bullets are all choices. Ethics are not. Target ballistics are one thing...hunting ballistics are something else. Respectfully suggesting we all choose our gear wisely.

Happy New Year ya'll.

Ill always be 10 at heart.

This topic is old, and beat to death as @svivian eloquently pointed out in post #4. Did you really need another thread for your opinion? Couldn't have just posted in one of the 50 others? This topic has just become a joke. I'm not trying to poke fun at you or your opinion, just the subject is played out, and we cant just let a good meme opportunity go to waste.

 

[KHntr]

One comes on this forum to ask good questions...voice their RESPECTFUL opinions. Result? A lot of "sarcastic" remarks.

My post was about hunting "ethics." Just my "personal" opinions. Sierracharlie and Muley Fever...pls wait until you are 11 years old before posting.

On the post asking about the 270 Win being marginally effective on Elk. Like any cartridge, one has to know its limitations. The 270 Win is VERY effective on Elk, with the right bullet, even at half-way reasonable ranges. Same goes for all the other BG cartridges that meet...say a minimum on Ethics.

It's been long said...1,000 ft lbs for deer...1,500 ft lbs for Elk. Arguably, a reasoanble yardstick for terminal ballistics. Plug in your bullet data...JBM will give you both external and terminal ballistics. Keeping in mind the shooting distances you might be facing...choose your cartridge, bullet, load accordingly for the animal you are hunting. Are the ft lbs I stated above "rules?" No, they are not. Choose the cartridge you like. Just know and be ready to accept what happens when used outside of those "guidelines." We owe "a clean kill" to the game animal we are hunting

For example: a 22 rimfire is good for rats, rabbits, squirrels, etc. That same bullet to the head of a deer at close range...does not make the 22 rimfire a deer cartridge.

Rifles, cartridges and bullets are all choices. Ethics are not. Target ballistics are one thing...hunting ballistics are something else. Respectfully suggesting we all choose our gear wisely.

Happy New Year ya'll.

Ahhhh. Here it is.

Original post to test the waters, follow up post to talk about “personal ethics” and “energy requirements” for killing big game.

OP, you should absolutely hunt with a 300 Win and 200 gr partitions to hedge your bets against poor shots. Then you know you’ll have enough energies to fulfill the whump quotient of the whallop factor.

 

[D Lee]

MULEY...

Understood. Thank you for the clarification.

I apologize to all for belaboring this material. Likely posted because true LR hunting comes with too many unpredictable variables and we owe the animals better than "I thought I could." I tire of seeing this or that irresponsible 1K+ yard Deer / Elk kills with lighter or other marginally capable hunting cartridges...not to mention hunter questionable / realistic capabilities. "Nuff said.

Cheers everyone.

 

[77TMK]

MULEY...

Understood. Thank you for the clarification.

I apologize to all for belaboring this material. Likely posted because true LR hunting comes with too many unpredictable variables and we owe the animals better than "I thought I could." I tire of seeing this or that irresponsible 1K+ yard Deer / Elk kills with lighter or other marginally capable hunting cartridges...not to mention hunter questionable / realistic capabilities. "Nuff said.

Cheers everyone.

I don’t owe a single thing to a whitetail deer. I am murdering it to eat the thing.

Hunting equipment and practices would be a lot better by now if folks weren’t busy romanticizing every facet of it and being pretentious in lieu of factual.

 

[HandgunHTR]

MULEY...

Understood. Thank you for the clarification.

I apologize to all for belaboring this material. Likely posted because true LR hunting comes with too many unpredictable variables and we owe the animals better than "I thought I could." I tire of seeing this or that irresponsible 1K+ yard Deer / Elk kills with lighter or other marginally capable hunting cartridges...not to mention hunter questionable / realistic capabilities. "Nuff said.

Cheers everyone.

So, how is it “irresponsible” if the Deer/Elk is dead?

Just because you can’t do it it doesn’t make it irresponsible if someone else does.

 

[sierracharlie338]

One comes on this forum to ask good questions...voice their RESPECTFUL opinions. Result? A lot of "sarcastic" remarks.

My post was about hunting "ethics." Just my "personal" opinions. Sierracharlie and Muley Fever...pls wait until you are 11 years old before posting.

Dear FNG,

Please understand that this is not a personal attack on you or your opinion but also this is the internet where everything is true and everyone is an expert. Your opinion is yours and yours alone, no one can take that from you but you are posting about something that has been beaten to death by people coming here and posting their opinion(not facts) without reading. If you get emotional and defensive because of a comment/picture about your opinion you won’t last long on this forum. It seems you came here to tell people they are wrong about their opinion/beliefs/practices and expected to be cheered on? I would suggest, as others have, reading a bit here before condemning someone else’s choice. The reality is no one cares what cartridge/caliber you shoot as that is your choice.

 

[Bubbadoyle]

I think the only way to really give a quantifiable number would be in penetration and that giving you bad angle options, and that's so bullet dependent that I don't know how you would do it.

This is exactly the right answer. Bullet construction paired with impact velocity is what determines bullet performance. These are vastly more important than bullet diameter or what the headstamp says. The key is to matching bullet construction to the impact velocity range one would expect from zero to their max range.


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[Bugger]

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Dear FNG,

Please understand that this is not a personal attack on you or your opinion but also this is the internet where everything is true and everyone is an expert. Your opinion is yours and yours alone, no one can take that from you but you are posting about something that has been beaten to death by people coming here and posting their opinion(not facts) without reading. If you get emotional and defensive because of a comment/picture about your opinion you won’t last long on this forum. It seems you came here to tell people they are wrong about their opinion/beliefs/practices and expected to be cheered on? I would suggest, as others have, reading a bit here before condemning someone else’s choice. The reality is no one cares what cartridge/caliber you shoot as that is your choice.

That’s a 10 year FNG

 

[Pharmseller]

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